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Reply #30 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 10:12pm
 
All normal straight Australians should give thanks to the Lord Above that Stuffit Shorten DID NOT GET IN and wreck the joint.



Labor to Throw $200bn to the Wind: Electricity Bill Shorten’s Economic Suicide Pact Unpacked
May 16, 2016 by stopthesethings 7 Comments

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Electricity Bill Shorten: Certified Economy Killer

In the cutting British satire, Extras, the hapless Andy Millman (Ricky Gervais) is always foiled by his gormless but lovable side-kick, Maggie Jacobs (Ashley Jensen).
Maggie, when she’s not inadvertently ruining Andy’s romantic hopes and/or acting career prospects, poses puzzling rhetoricals such as “would you rather be trampled by elephants or eaten by lions?”

Following Maggie’s lead, STT poses the following:
“would you rather have your economic future destroyed by a $45 billion electricity tax, designed to subsidise the construction of another 6,000 of these things; or a $90 billion electricity tax, designed to subsidise the construction of another 12,000 of them?”

Unfortunately, unlike Maggie’s death by elephant or lion conundrum, with STT’s poser there isn’t any way of avoiding one or the other.  Here, it’s the ‘choice’ that Australians face at the upcoming Federal election: or as Maggie might put it, “would you rather be run over by a steam-roller, once or twice?”

Terry McCrann and Alan Moran detail the ‘Maggie Jacob’s options’ faced by Australian voters, as follows.

Long and Bill Shorten of it: be afraid
The Australian Terry McCrann 7 May 2016
This is the budget which announces that Australia is now ungovernable. That the system — that messy mix of politics and policymaking — is simply incapable of making the necessary changes to put the country on even a sustainable, far less a dynamic, growth path.
That’s in a sense the ‘good,’ or perhaps rather the ‘least worst’, news; for the other major thought from the week is that it might be time to be afraid, to be really afraid.

Opposition leader Bill Shorten gave a very impressive budget reply speech on Thursday night, in my judgment. That’s in and only in political terms. In substance it was both shamelessly and sweepingly dishonest and breathtakingly unhinged from fiscal and economic reality.
Unless, that is, you really think we can raise tens of billions of extra dollars every year forever from that fiscal Aladdin’s Cave — ‘the top 1 per cent’ — to throw at every perceived problem and interest group. Or alternatively, that even bigger future budget deficits than are already in prospect don’t matter.

If that is not horrifying enough, almost a wilfully deliberate determination to turn Australia into the Greece of the South Pacific, Shorten’s overarching coup de destruction is the total insanity, restated aggressively on Thursday night, of the commitment to 50 per cent renewable energy by 2030.

This would at the same time dramatically increase the cost of power to all Australians — probably as much as four times; devastate business across the board; and add billions of dollars to our current account deficit, already running at $80 billion a year, and to our foreign debt, already above $1 trillion, as we write out cheques to ‘Nigerians’ and other emission-permit providing main-chancers.

Apart from the fact that even getting to 50 per cent renewable energy in just 14 years is completely impossible — unless we chose ‘the Venezuelan route’ of literally turning off the lights, so that it would be 50 per cent of a much smaller figure than we currently use.
Such that we had an ‘Earth Hour’ every second hour, say, imposed on us.

Right now we get barely 14 per cent of our total electricity from renewables. So getting to 50 per cent doesn’t sound that hard: you might think, we ‘only’ need to triple it?

Well, think again, about 8 per cent of that 14 per cent comes from the now ‘dirty’ renewable of hydro. We ain’t going to build any more hydro dams; so in the weird space that passes for Shorten’s brain, wind and solar have to go from about 6 per cent to 42 per cent. They have to increase sevenfold, and in just 14 years.

Further, that’s the output they have to produce, given their, ahem, intermittency. We would probably have to build something like 10 times the number of windmills that currently, so uselessly, despoil the countryside.
And even then, we’d still have to keep the coal or gas-fired power stations open because, when the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine, the power don’t flow.

That’s why I say, be afraid, be very afraid, because that combination of political slickness and total dishonesty could very well win the election.
This is so, especially against a Prime Minister who is quite frankly and simply a dud; and whose total ineptness at retail politics is going to be on display for eight long, cringingly awful, weeks. …
The Australian terry_mcrann
Terry McCrann asks “would you rather ….”


Read the rest of Shorty's sick plan to destroy Australia in the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2016/05/16/labor-to-throw-200bn-to-the-wind-electric...
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Reply #31 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 10:26pm
 
And Tassie is not much better.
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Reply #32 - Jul 17th, 2016 at 10:48pm
 
The Greenie disaster happening in Sth Aust is a stark warning to the rest of Australia to ram the dead beat Greenies into the garbage disposal unit.



How South Australia’s Wind Farm Gamble Led to a Power Crisis
January 10, 2016 by stopthesethings 11 Comments

South Australians dwell in Australia’s economically dismal ‘wind power capital’. Their attempt to rely on these things as a ‘meaningful’ power source sees them not only paying the highest power prices in the Nation by a mile (if not the world, on a purchasing power parity basis) – but sees them glaring at each other through Stone Age ‘gloom’ when its wind power output totally collapses, on a totally unpredictable basis:

The consequences are a thoroughly unreliable grid, prone to mass wind power blackouts, and family punishing and business crippling power prices – which will rocket further as its cheapest base-load plant at Port Augusta is closed in April.

While its vapid Premier, Jay Weatherill jetted 16,000 km to Paris to bathe in his own ‘glory’ – describing his State as a renewable power leader – a slightly different take on SA’s energy policy was being bandied about in the press. The most oft used term employed was ‘crisis’ – raining on Jay’s Paris Climate Jamboree Parade.

The scale and scope of its wind power debacle has hit major employers – such as Nyrstar – like a brick dropped on a sleeping forehead.
So serious has the situation become, that Tom Koutsantonis – SA’s Minister for Finance, State Development, Mineral Resources and Energy, and Small Business – was press ganged into meeting business leaders, who have reached a state of furtive panic about SA’s ludicrous power ‘policy’.

Here’s The Australian with a little detail on SA’s looming date with economic and social disaster.
South Australia faces crisis over power availability, prices
The Australian Rebecca Puddy 21 December 2015

The national energy market regulator has warned that South Australia is likely to face continued price volatility and “significantly lower” electricity availability with the retirement of two gas and coal power stations and an increased reliance on wind.

A report by the Australian Energy Regulator warned that despite the upgrade of the interconnector with Victoria, “current forecasts indicate total capacity (including imports) available to the South Australian region will be significantly lower in 2018 than in 2015”.

The AER said spot prices, which averaged $69 per megawatt hour in the September quarter, were at least 50 per cent higher than in any other state. The warning comes just months ahead of the shutdown of the 546MW capacity Northern Power Station in Port Augusta and the 2017 mothballing of the 480MW capacity Torrens Island A plant, which will leave the state even more reliant on Victoria’s Heywood power station, wind and rooftop solar.

The regulator’s state of the energy market report said wind supplied 33 per cent of electricity consumption from the South Australian grid last financial year and was, at times, the dominant form of generation.

“However, wind generation tends to be lower at times of maximum demand,” it said. “In South Australia, wind typically contributes 10 per cent of its registered capacity during peaks in summer demand.”

South Australia’s reliance on the interconnector from Victoria saw power prices spike to more than $9000 per megawatt hour in an incident last month that also saw supply to 110,000 customers cut for 35 minutes.

The regulator said the state was “islanded” from the rest of the country’s energy market after the Heywood interconnector in Victoria was tripped and local generation could not ramp up quickly enough to replace it.

Alinta chief executive Jeff Dimery told The Australian the state had an increased risk of future brownouts because it had failed to create multiple connection points with interstate power generators.

The company’s Port Augusta power station would remain open until April, extending the employment of its 185-strong workforce and providing the state with locally generated baseload power through to the cooler autumn months, he said. Technical issue­s had taken some of the station offline over the past few months, extending the remaining life of the coal stockpiles.

He said he was not surprised power prices were spiking in the state even before the station had closed. “The reality is that when we were in the market we were being offered sub $50 per megawatt hour and today there are contracts going for $90. There is no question we were holding prices down from being in the market.”

He described coal-fired stations as “yesterday’s assets”, particularly in lieu of Australia’s commitment to the Paris climate accord.

On Wednesday, the Weatherill government called a crisis meeting of energy users and suppliers to discuss the sharp rises and falls in wholesale electricity prices.

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https://stopthesethings.com/2016/01/10/how-south-australias-wind-farm-gamble-led...
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Reply #33 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 12:05am
 
There are so many holes in the grossly technically ignorant Greenies' schemes.




The Fantasy of Storing Wind Power: No Commercial System Exists & None is Likely
March 7, 2016 by stopthesethings 7 Comments

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What about whopper batteries ? About as likely as commercially storing electricity in bulk.

The wind industry is the perpetual infant of power generation: always looking for the subsidies to last that little bit longer; always promising to improve its performance; always claiming it will outdo hydro, coal and gas – provided, of course, that the subsidies keep flowing.
STT for one thinks the wind industry has had ample time to grow up and stand on its own two feet.


Like the brat that it is, the wind industry can’t be told what to do and, especially, won’t ever respond to demands from power users about when its product should be delivered.

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It’s quite happy to produce plenty of power when it’s not needed at night time; and much less during the day, when it is (as seen in the graph above); and, often, none at all during periods of peak demand: as set out in dozens of our posts, including these:
The Wind Power Fraud (in pictures): Part 1 – the South Australian Wind Farm Fiasco
The Wind Power Fraud (in pictures): Part 2 – The Whole Eastern Grid Debacle

When challenged about its consistent failures to match output with demand, the wind industry and its parasites respond by mumbling about “battery technology improving”.

The pitch is that – one day “soon” – there will batteries big enough and cheap enough to allow huge volumes of wind power produced when it’s not needed, to be stored for the occasions when it is. That way, the “variable” output (as their spruikers put it) from wind farms could be delivered when there might just be a market for it.

As covered in yesterday’s post, Australia’s ‘wind power capital’, South Australia is being crippled by rocketing power prices – a 90% rise in power prices for businesses within 12 months, leaving prices in SA double those of Victoria, is fairly called ‘astronomic’ – rolling wind power blackouts and a grid on the brink of collapse.

Notwithstanding the urgency of the calamity, the limp, pipe-dream responses to its unfolding power supply crisis and market chaos are limited to “an unfunded proposal by [renewable power generator and retailer] AGL to build grid-scale battery storage, and a smart grid proposal from [wind and gas turbine maker] Siemens of Germany to store surplus renewable energy in hydrogen fuel cells”: thought bubbles like massive batteries and hydrogen production, storage and use have never been shown to be technically feasible, let alone economic.

The wind industry’s pitch is, of course, made so the subsidies keep flowing to allow an endless sea of these things to be erected now – in order to take advantage of the (so far, elusive) storage technology that’s just over the “horizon”. Except that the “soon” is more like light-years and the “horizon” is a mirage.

Even if a technology was invented (STT likens it to the chances of finding a perpetual motion machine or alchemy turning lead into gold) to store large volumes of the electricity output (in bulk) from all of the wind farms connected to Australia’s Eastern Grid, say (with a notional capacity of 3,669 MW) – the economic cost would be astronomical – and readily eclipse the value of the power produced. Not that the wind industry has ever made any economic sense. We visited the topic a while ago:

The Economic Storage of Wind Power is a Pipe-Dream
And, with the wind industry’s PR spinners becoming more desperate and silly by the day – in a ‘we love kicking a mangy dog when it’s down’ kind of way, we thought it high time to revisit – and launch a final assault on – the wind-cults’ last redoubt.

Their pitch is that cost effective, ‘grid scale’ electricity storage will overcome the chaotic and occasional delivery of wind power, to have it stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the ‘big boys’ – coal, gas, hydro and nuclear.

Here’s a neat little wrap up by Engineer, John Curtis that puts the “we’ll fix it with batteries” line to bed once and for all.
An Engineer Speaks

Wind Farm Action
John Curtis 7 February 2016
A brief consideration of renewable energy production and storage.
As anybody who looks at current wind output figures will know, we are presently blessed with less than 0.2 Gigglewatts of wind power from the total UK wind fleet, the rated capacity of which is close to 8 Gigawatts.

For the last 10 days, output has been under 1 Gigglewatt and this means that the actual wind power is probably negative because each machine requires around 200 kilowatts of power just for its life support systems.

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https://stopthesethings.com/2016/03/07/the-fantasy-of-storing-wind-power-no-comm...
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Re: Rush to Wind a bad move.
Reply #34 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 9:34pm:
lee wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:05pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm:
The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt.


The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    Roll Eyes



Wrong. 'Unlike the General Assembly of the United Nations, where each country has one vote, decision making at the IMF was designed to reflect the relative positions of its member countries in the global economy.'

http://www.imf.org/external/about.htm

It is controlled by the larger members.

'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.'

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm


They are not part of the United Nations Organisation nor are they held responsible by the UN.   



But they do the "You can't have fossil fuel generation, but we can give money for renewables", so following the UNFCC/IPCC line. Which makes it a proxy (poxy) UN entity.

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Re: Rush to Wind a bad move.
Reply #35 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:10pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 9:34pm:
lee wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 7:05pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm:
The IMF is part of the United Nations which is unbelievably corrupt.


The IMF is not a part of the UN and I am unsure where you got the belief otherwise.  It is controlled by it's own member nations, not the UN.    Roll Eyes



Wrong. 'Unlike the General Assembly of the United Nations, where each country has one vote, decision making at the IMF was designed to reflect the relative positions of its member countries in the global economy.'

http://www.imf.org/external/about.htm

It is controlled by the larger members.

'The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.'

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm


They are not part of the United Nations Organisation nor are they held responsible by the UN.   



But they do the "You can't have fossil fuel generation, but we can give money for renewables", so following the UNFCC/IPCC line. Which makes it a proxy (poxy) UN entity.


Getting desperate there...    Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2016 at 3:10pm:
Getting desperate there..



I can't help it if you refuse to follow the dots. Like the IMF on the social costs of carbon, that is being pushed by the UNFCCC/IPCC.

'International Monetary Fund (IMF), United Nations (UN) specialized agency, founded at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 to secure international monetary cooperation, to stabilize currency exchange rates, and to expand international liquidity (access to hard currencies).'

https://www.britannica.com/topic/International-Monetary-Fund
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Reply #37 - Jul 18th, 2016 at 4:57pm
 
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are institutions in the United Nations system.


They share the same goal of raising living standards in their member countries.

Their approaches to this goal are complementary, with the IMF focusing on macroeconomic issues and the World Bank concentrating on long-term economic development and poverty reduction.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/imfwb.htm




List of specialized agencies of the United Nations
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specialized agencies are autonomous organizations working with the United Nations and each other through the coordinating machinery of the United Nations Economic and Social Council at the intergovernmental level, and through the Chief Executives Board for coordination (CEB) at the inter-secretariat level.

Specialized agencies may or may not have been originally created by the United Nations, but they are incorporated into the United Nations System by the United Nations Economic and Social Council acting under Articles 57 and 63 of the United Nations Charter.

At present the UN has in total specialized agencies that carry out various functions on behalf of the UN.

The specialized agencies are listed below.


Contents
1      Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO)
2      International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
3      International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD)
4      International Labour Organization (ILO)
5      International Maritime Organization (IMO)
6      
International Monetary Fund (IMF)

7      International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
8      United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
9      United Nations Industrial Development Organization (UNIDO)
10      Universal Postal Union (UPU)
11      World Bank Group (WBG)
11.1      International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)
11.2      International Finance Corporation (IFC)
11.3      International Development Association (IDA)
12      World Health Organization (WHO)
13      World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
14      World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
15      World Tourism Organization (UNWTO)
16      Former specialized agencies
17      Related organizations
17.1      Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization Preparatory Commission
17.2      International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
17.3      Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
17.4      World Trade Organization (WTO)
18      Summary
19      See also
20      References
21      External links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_specialized_agencies_of_the_United_Nations

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