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Reply #15 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:18am

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Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true.

people have been telling you that for years.

The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life.

You could say it's a bit like living in a gated community Grin

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Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:21am

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true.

people have been telling you that for years.

The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life.

You could say it's a bit like living in a gated community Grin

without the pedo priests Cheesy

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Reply #17 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:03am

Everyone knows why Govco is all for funding private schools.

howard was a strong advocate for it.

Its a sinister and sneaky ploy.
First you start funding private schools, giving them more and more, while starving public schools of cash.
People start seeing this and decide that, for their children's benefit, to put them in private schools.

Eventually public shools get smaller and less, working as Govco planned.
Then in one fell swoop, public schooling is privatized.
No more free public schooling, now everyone pays.

Then the final act, remove all funding from schools,
after all, people pay the school, they don't need public funding do they?

BINGO
Govco has again eliminated another cost.
It has privatised another industry.
The people pay more .......again
And private enterprise profits soar.

Good plan eh?

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Reply #18 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:03am

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true.

people have been telling you that for years.

The ONLY benefit to private school is the circle of friends you make which may benefit you when you begin your chosen career after school life.

You could say it's a bit like living in a gated community Grin

The law of "state transferance" says that you absorb, like a sponge, the mental state and mindset of the people you spend the most time with.(it actually seems to be the 5 people who you spend the most time with).

Some people have very strong self discipline and drive, but most dont and they will BECOME the average of their 5 most intimate friends.

Go to a private school with the motivated aspirational children of the cream and become cream like.
Go to a public school with the mediocre negative children of the scrubs and become a scrub.

i cant put it more simply then that.

Wishing that this law does not apply , does not mean that this law does not apply.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74966 Gender:	Re: Public funding of private schools Reply #19 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:07am aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:03am: The law of "state transferance" says that you absorb, like a sponge, the mental state and mindset of the people you spend the most time with. no wonder you act like one of your donkeys
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Reply #20 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16am

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:07am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

The law of "state transferance" says that you absorb, like a sponge, the mental state and mindset of the people you spend the most time with.

no wonder you act like one of your donkeys

I find the idea that children who attend private schools are the cream of the crop. My two nephews attended a premium private school funded by their Doctor parents and tax dodging trust funds etc. One works reasonably high up in Optus, the other one is on the dole and as dumb as dog shyte.

Parents and family throwbacks also have a big influence on the child's performance at schools and their are plenty of stories going around about parents who have "contributed" additional resources to see little Freddie get good grades.

They are many CEOs of multinational companies who just went to public schools - Lindsay Fox is one. Private schools deserve the same amount per student from the government that public ones get. No more, no less

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Reply #21 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:23am

Vic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16am:

I find the idea that children who attend private schools are the cream of the crop. My two nephews attended a premium private school funded by their Doctor parents and tax dodging trust funds etc. One works reasonably high up in Optus, the other one is on the dole and as dumb as dog shyte.

Parents and family throwbacks also have a big influence on the child's performance at schools and their are plenty of stories going around about parents who have "contributed" additional resources to see little Freddie get good grades.

They are many CEOs of multinational companies who just went to public schools - Lindsay Fox is one. Private schools deserve the same amount per student from the government that public ones get. No more, no less

If a kid is lazy or a dope, he'll remain lazy or a dope. Private schooling won't help. If someone however is motivated to succeed private school can help even if they aren't the most intellectually gifted. I have a friend who went to the most expensive private school on the gold coast. All his mates had families that ran their own businesses. This friend of mine wasn't particularly clever at school, but he did like tinkering with cars.

Now he's out of school and a fully qualified mechanic. All his mates have taken over their families businesses. As a result his workshop is always busy with all the company cars his friends are bringing him. Not many mechanics can start a new workshop and be busy from day one. Without that opportunity he might not be enjoying the success that he has had.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74966 Gender:	Re: Public funding of private schools Reply #22 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:24am Vic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16am: Private schools deserve the same amount per student from the government that public ones get. No more, no less I agree, funding should be determined on a per student basis. No more, no less.
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Reply #23 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:30am

4 Ladies go to Lunch and whilst One goes to take food the other 3 start to talk about how successful their sons became due to private education.

No. 1 says her son studied economics, became a banker and is so rich he gave his best friend a ferrari.

No. 2 said her son became a pilot, started his own airline, became so rich he gave his best friend a jet.

No. 3 said her son became an engineer, started his own development company, became so rich he build his best friend a castle.

No 4. came back with a plate full of food and asked what the buzz is about.

They told her they were talking about how successful their sons became and asked her about her son.

She said her son is gay, went to a public school and he works in a Gay Bar.

The other 3 said she must be very disappointed with her son for not becoming successful.

" Oh no !! " said the Lady, he is doing good.

" Last week on his birthday he got a ferrari, a jet and a castle from 3 of his boyfriends..."

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4028 Gender:	Re: Public funding of private schools Reply #24 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:05am Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair. I cannot believe this. Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority. This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.
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Reply #25 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax.

However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors.

The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component.

Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated.

Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component.

As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private.

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Reply #26 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:00pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax.

However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors.

The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component.

Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated.

Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component.

As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private.

And hence the gonski model - the needs basis on school funding. However, this is dead in the water now.

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Reply #27 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax.

However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors.

The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component.

Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated.

Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component.

As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private.

And hence the gonski model - the needs basis on school funding. However, this is dead in the water now.

I wonder how much they paid that Gonski character to think that up? I thunked it up as I was typing and would let the Govt have my funding model for about $10000.00

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Reply #28 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Private schools should get money for students as their parents pay tax.

However, the rate and amount should be determined on a variety of factors.

The private school kids should get a component, lets call it the education component.

Public school kids should get that PLUS an infrastructure component to keep the schools updated.

Schools which take kids with learning difficulties or from indigenous backgrounds should get a further component.

As a rule of thumb, I'm thinking public school kids get x2 more than private.

And hence the gonski model - the needs basis on school funding. However, this is dead in the water now.

I wonder how much they paid that Gonski character to think that up? I thunked it up as I was typing and would let the Govt have my funding model for about $10000.00

you're a sucker ... Gonski probably charged millions for it. Cheesy

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Reply #29 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:03pm

The public school down the road received a new hall for the grand sum of a million bucks. The school our kids go to built the equivalent hall for half a million all funded from school fees and fundraising. That put them a million bucks to the good over the public school. Should us hard working parents who sacrifice to give our kids a better education be passed over for the parents down the road who prefer to spend their money on cars and holidays? If so, how does that 'incentivise' people to do, contribute and give more?

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