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Reply #30 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair. I cannot believe this.

Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority. This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.

why do we have disadvantaged schools in this country???????

do they really mean children that have parents who dont care..... Roll Eyes

just what does it mean in real terms???...

disadvantage to me would mean more kids per class than is normal .. my grandson goes to private school and he has 31 boys in his class....

I dont think any public school has that many....

so what is DISADVANTAGED......I believe all teachers go through the same system....under our multicultural system languages shouldnt be a problem... the more the merrier....and most kids speak English long before their parents anyway..

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Reply #31 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:26pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair. I cannot believe this.

Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority. This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.

why do we have disadvantaged schools in this country???????

do they really mean children that have parents who dont care..... Roll Eyes

just what does it mean in real terms???...

disadvantage to me would mean more kids per class than is normal .. my grandson goes to private school and he has 31 boys in his class....

I dont think any public school has that many....

so what is DISADVANTAGED......I believe all teachers go through the same system....under our multicultural system languages shouldnt be a problem... the more the merrier....and most kids speak English long before their parents anyway..

In a similar vein, my daughter is starting to play sporting matches in far flung corners of Sydney.

At her affluent school there are 3 fat kids. The further west we go for sporting games, the heavier the kids get and nearly all the parents are morbidly obese. I accept no excuses for people destroying their health like that.

I was on the road most of today and still managed to have a lunch that would rate 5 stars for health and cost about 5 bucks.

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Reply #32 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

The public school down the road received a new hall for the grand sum of a million bucks. The school our kids go to built the equivalent hall for half a million all funded from school fees and fundraising. That put them a million bucks to the good over the public school. Should us hard working parents who sacrifice to give our kids a better education be passed over for the parents down the road who prefer to spend their money on cars and holidays? If so, how does that 'incentivise' people to do, contribute and give more?

if you want the govt. to incentivise you than you have bigger issues than school funding

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Reply #33 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Wow, a topic that I actually agree with armchair. I cannot believe this.

Anyway, I had long advocated that disadvantaged public schools should be the priority. This coming from someone who actually attended private schooling.

why do we have disadvantaged schools in this country???????

Liberals in government for too many terms.

It's not necessarily disadvantage, either. It could simply be a lack of maintenance. I remember starting my high school years in the 1980s at a school that was suffering badly from decades of Liberal neglect, including holes in walls, leaking roofs, and "temporary" classrooms that dated to the Second World War. By the time I left that school a few years later, we had a Labor state government for the first time in decades and construction for the long-awaited Upgrade was underway.

At the high school I transferred to, the story was much the same.

Liberal governments always underfund public education, and the state of the facilities is often the first sign of this neglect.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Public funding of private schools Reply #34 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:04pm Be an interesting theory except for the amount of time Labor has been in Government in NSW.
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Reply #35 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:19pm

This is the sort of people private schools turn out....

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Police investigate vile Instagram account set up by Brighton Grammar students

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-investigate-vile-instagram-account-set-...

When I travel on the train it is always the Private School Students who are disrespectful and disruptive....The parents of these children think money buys special privilege and this is passed on to their children!!!

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Reply #36 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 7:28am:

Tax payer Funding for public school students is still greater then for private school students.

Public schools tend to have a unionised teacher workforce and bad teachers are a protected species.

The morale is higher in private schools as both the students and the teachers have to meet certain higher standards to be there.

Its not elitist and we should be proud of our private schools as the graduates benefit us all.

The kids at the Institute of sport get much better funding and get our encouragement to excel, why not do the same in academia...surely this helps the nation.

The Elite troops of the SAS are more motivated, its harder to get in and i gaurantee the army give them much more valuable equipment and training.
Should we call for all soldiers to be funded according to some socialist ideal of all being equal, or do we accpet the great benefits of helping our elites and letting the cream rise to the top.

private school provide a way to help the cream and the cream help us all.

The highest funding per student goes to places like Arakun where they attack the headmaster with an axe and shut down the school and the unionised public school teachers head off to the whitsundays for a taxpayer funded 6 week break...not my idea of value for money

My wife, who is a high school principal, has showed me study after study that proves that it's a fallacy that children who are educated at private schools do better academically than public school children. It's just not true. It only seems that way because of the media attention given to those few successful students who attended private schools who've become famous in one way or another. The fact is that private school students simply have access to better resources. The teachers are not necessarily better and are generally lower paid than public school teachers. How do I know? I asked my wife why she didn't apply for a recent job advertised in a private school. Her response was simple: she didn't want to take a pay cut.

I'm lost on 2 points. Selective high schools and private schools do perform much higher then the common public school.

Not sure that private schools pay less either. Actually led to believe by friend who just switched over to a private school that private schools tend to pay more.

You are right though, public schools are having to work with the most at risk vulnerable students.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Public funding of private schools Reply #37 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:22pm Honest Joe wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:29pm: I'm lost on 2 points. Selective high schools and private schools do perform much higher then the common public school. The key word is "selective".
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Public funding of private schools Reply #38 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 10:27pm bam is right SELECTIVE HS do well because they pick/select the best students, private schools do not however do better than public schools, in fact some public schools do better than private schools.
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