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Reply #30 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

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Nope.... it'll be around till the very end.

Something sensible for a change? Amazing. Roll Eyes

I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with. It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?"

So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level.

Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy.

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this. I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve. However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism. As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world. However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.

In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation. But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well I think religion was of use for a short time in history. Using ooogy boogey to scare people to follow a code of conduct had its time.

Islam has a few trip wires that point its followers backwards in history.

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Reply #31 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Nope.... it'll be around till the very end.

Something sensible for a change? Amazing. Roll Eyes

I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with. It started when the first man/woman looked up at the sky at the stars and wondered, "Why?"

So why do you make space for Islam? It should be discouraged at every level.

When we see equal discouragement to all the sky daddies, then I might listen to you. Otherwise all you're doing is, is urging discrimination against one group. Islam has it's problems but so do all religions.

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Leftists encouraging Islam is like munchausens by proxy.

Rightists discouraging Islam is like the Nazis discouraging Judaism, violent and bloody. Roll Eyes

Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals.

It's like someone in the 80s with full blown aids.

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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #32 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.

We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD. Cool

And Christianity/Hinduism/Confucianism/Taoism/Shinto/etc. Baron. No need to concentrate on one group when all of humanity is affected. Even gun nuttery is a disease. Roll Eyes

i dont think you can find much in buddhism, confuscianism, the dao, the tippitaka that would not be simply very good principles to aspire to.
i dont think anyone would have much of a problem with the sermon on the mount or the 10 commandments.

one of the problems for islam is undoubtedly extreme laziness and lack of social intelligence by the leadership group.

they need to get on the front foot and explain what is virtuous in the koran . if they cant do that, and continue to play cry baby victims, then i think they will be targeted more and more.(and rightfully so, because they have an obligation to explain what is going on)

A religion is so much more than just the words of it's founder. It consists of the views and beliefs and justifications of it's believers, ever since the death of that founder. There have been good and bad Muslims just as there have been bad and good Christians/Hindus/Buddhists/Taoists/Shintos/etc. That cannot be ignored. Roll Eyes

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Reply #33 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

I think religion is a natural progression from curiosity and at a deeper level a question of an attempt to understand. I think it is a hard wired concept in the brain of a particular tool making ape that enabled it to progress further than the immediate use of a tool. A rock will do the job, but this ape thought a handle could make the rock better, which led to an exploration of leverage and those rules. The none searching and incurious ape would have remained static with crushing nuts with a rock because that served the immediate need.

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Reply #34 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:46pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this. I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve. However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism. As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world. However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.

In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation. But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well, good luck getting that past the religionists. I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight. Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear.

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Reply #35 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

I suspect religion is a disease which mankind has long been infected with.

We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD. Cool

And Christianity/Hinduism/Confucianism/Taoism/Shinto/etc. Baron. No need to concentrate on one group when all of humanity is affected. Even gun nuttery is a disease. Roll Eyes

i dont think you can find much in buddhism, confuscianism, the dao, the tippitaka that would not be simply very good principles to aspire to.
i dont think anyone would have much of a problem with the sermon on the mount or the 10 commandments.

one of the problems for islam is undoubtedly extreme laziness and lack of social intelligence by the leadership group.

they need to get on the front foot and explain what is virtuous in the koran . if they cant do that, and continue to play cry baby victims, then i think they will be targeted more and more.(and rightfully so, because they have an obligation to explain what is going on)

A religion is so much more than just the words of it's founder. It consists of the views and beliefs and justifications of it's believers, ever since the death of that founder. There have been good and bad Muslims just as there have been bad and good Christians/Hindus/Buddhists/Taoists/Shintos/etc. That cannot be ignored. Roll Eyes

i would dispute that and i have tried to understand the message of most religions.
i cant recall people commiting vile acts in the name of confuscius or Lao Tzu

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42673	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #36 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:55pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:43pm: Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals. And so we should abandon all it's followers to those upheavals? Quote: It's like someone in the 80s with full blown aids. Homophobia?
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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #37 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

i would dispute that and i have tried to understand the message of most religions.
i cant recall people commiting vile acts in the name of confuscius or Lao Tzu

I would suggest you need to read more about the history of the religion than about the religion itself. Chinese history is full of examples of bad Taoists and Confuscianists. Roll Eyes

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20825 Gordon Gender:	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #38 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:58pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:55pm: [quote author=Gordon link=1468817469/31#31 date=1468827784] Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals. And so we should abandon all it's followers to those upheavals? Quote: Quarantine ourselves.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42673	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #39 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:12pm Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:58pm: Quarantine ourselves. Yes, you go and lock yourself away in your basement...
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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #40 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this. I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve. However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism. As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world. However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.

In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation. But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well, good luck getting that past the religionists. I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight. Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear.

It is true that for much of its existence religion has been a rather vacuous secular/materialist tool of control that has essentially been devoid of any spiritual meaning. This, I believe is what you and others would like to see disappear, and I'm with you. However it is a mistake to equate this with "true" religion, as in what the original purpose of the religion is. Doing so dismisses the innate human need for a spiritual sense of purpose, and an innate sense of the existence of God. You are essentially calling for one vacuous materialist system to replace another vacuous materialist system. Yet the real cause of disillusionment in religion IMO is not the rejection of its core message and purpose (a spiritual one), but rejection of the dogma of mainstream religion.

Religion won't disappear, rather IMO it will transcend and start to reflect its true purpose. Its followers will eventually reject the vacuous dogma that has so dominated most religions for centuries, and will actually start following a far more fulfilling spiritual journey. And this by no means requires the scrapping of the religious texts - those are chock full of all the right spiritual guidance.

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Reply #41 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

oh dear.... unlike you I'm always sensible bwian... Cheesy

Highly debatable. So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)? Roll Eyes

Still obsessing bwian?
Still no proof bwian?
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I'd be giving that Dr of Divinity certificate back or throwing it away.... Cheesy

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Reply #42 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

i would dispute that and i have tried to understand the message of most religions.
i cant recall people commiting vile acts in the name of confuscius or Lao Tzu

I would suggest you need to read more about the history of the religion than about the religion itself. Chinese history is full of examples of bad Taoists and Confuscianists. Roll Eyes

What do you like about Islam, Brian? What makes you warm to Mohammed and his sons?

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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #43 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:55pm:

[quote author=Gordon link=1468817469/31#31 date=1468827784]
Because Islam is at a point in its history when it's going through extremist upheavals.

And so we should abandon all it's followers to those upheavals?

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Quarantine ourselves.

Quarantine them.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75367 Gender:	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #44 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:23pm Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? yes Juliar, it'll be gone within 10 years. See you can stop worrying about Muslims now and sleep soundly
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