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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #45 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:24pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

cant help yourself can you bwian.... you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others...

really? so you don't call the following insulting

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Still obsessing bwian?
Still no proof bwian?
Still claim you are sensible?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #46 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this. I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve. However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism. As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world. However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.

In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation. But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well, good luck getting that past the religionists. I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight. Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear.

It is true that for much of its existence religion has been a rather vacuous secular/materialist tool of control that has essentially been devoid of any spiritual meaning. This, I believe is what you and others would like to see disappear, and I'm with you. However it is a mistake to equate this with "true" religion, as in what the original purpose of the religion is. Doing so dismisses the innate human need for a spiritual sense of purpose, and an innate sense of the existence of God. You are essentially calling for one vacuous materialist system to replace another vacuous materialist system. Yet the real cause of disillusionment in religion IMO is not the rejection of its core message and purpose (a spiritual one), but rejection of the dogma of mainstream religion.

Religion won't disappear, rather IMO it will transcend and start to reflect its true purpose. Its followers will eventually reject the vacuous dogma that has so dominated most religions for centuries, and will actually start following a far more fulfilling spiritual journey. And this by no means requires the scrapping of the religious texts - those are chock full of all the right spiritual guidance.

Spiritual has forever been harnessed by the worldly. Plato wanted philosophers, Jesus wanted the fishermen, Marx wanted the proles -but it's never the philosophers, the fishermen or the proles. It's the Malcolm Turnbulls, Rudds, Gillards, Howards, Keatings - it's the company men.

Mohammed is nobody's idea of a nice guy yet you poor sods have ended up with him as your best and brightest. How's that for f Vcked with nowhere to turn?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #47 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:32pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 4:58pm: We could say Islam is a pox on humanity and a type of STD. We know it's a sexually transmitted disease. There are any number of innocent Muslim parents wringing their hands in despair at how they produced mass-murdering jihadi Warriors for Islam.
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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #48 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

cant help yourself can you bwian.... you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others...

really? so you don't call the following insulting

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Still obsessing bwian?
Still no proof bwian?
Still claim you are sensible?

Flame me and I'll flame back TROLLBOY you should know that.... is there anyone on this site you've never flamed? Cheesy

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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #49 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

I disagree with both Brian and Gordon on this. I believe religion is a necessity to control the human population as our society evolve. However, we are now at a stage of free thinking and altruism. As such, they now have outlived most of its purpose in many countries of the world. However, no all countries and regions are equal in this remark, and therefore, it still has its uses.

In the future, religion should be practices as only free choice of the individual, and that there should be distinct separation of church and state (including education) in each nation. But in this, we are talking at least 100 or may be even 200 years ahead.

Well, good luck getting that past the religionists. I agree with you in part but I have to recognise that something that has been a part of humanity forever will not disappear overnight. Only by concerted effort by society as a whole will it disappear.

It is true that for much of its existence religion has been a rather vacuous secular/materialist tool of control that has essentially been devoid of any spiritual meaning. This, I believe is what you and others would like to see disappear, and I'm with you. However it is a mistake to equate this with "true" religion, as in what the original purpose of the religion is. Doing so dismisses the innate human need for a spiritual sense of purpose, and an innate sense of the existence of God. You are essentially calling for one vacuous materialist system to replace another vacuous materialist system. Yet the real cause of disillusionment in religion IMO is not the rejection of its core message and purpose (a spiritual one), but rejection of the dogma of mainstream religion.

Religion won't disappear, rather IMO it will transcend and start to reflect its true purpose. Its followers will eventually reject the vacuous dogma that has so dominated most religions for centuries, and will actually start following a far more fulfilling spiritual journey. And this by no means requires the scrapping of the religious texts - those are chock full of all the right spiritual guidance.

A nice idea, G, but just as religions have become more pluralist and inclusive, many in their ranks have become more fundamentalist and dogmatic.

Alevine, Mistie and others blame "regressive leftists". They argue for more judgement and less ethical neutrality - less "tolerance". They blame the apologists for the fundamentalists - which they, themselves, have become in response.

What to do?

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #50 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse.
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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #51 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:55pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse.

It all depends on how the West deals with its own Muslims, either leaving them to remain as a pool from which the occasional jihadist mass-murderer will arise, or start a program of seriously sorting out the wheat from the chaff - and sending those on 'Watch Lists' straight back to their ancestral homelands without any tap-dancing with pro bono lawyers over 'Human Rights' issues.

A cherry-picking 'ethnic cleansing' exercise.

There are WAY too many 'Mohammads' being born in maternity wards throughout the West.

Here it is again, in graphic detail ....

Be afraid ... be VERY afraid ...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96334	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #52 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:13pm issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm: In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse. Yes, but we’ll be killing them, no?
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20698 Gordon Gender:	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #53 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16pm Karnal wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:13pm: issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm: In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse. Yes, but we’ll be killing them, no? Aren't most muzziewoozies killed by other mooziewoozies?
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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #54 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

In ten years time, the world will look pretty much the same as it does today, only worse.

Yes, but we’ll be killing them, no?

Aren't most muzziewoozies killed by other mooziewoozies?

That’s not fair. We need to do it.

Kill them.

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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #55 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:47pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

oh dear.... unlike you I'm always sensible bwian... Cheesy

Highly debatable. So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)? Roll Eyes

Still obsessing bwian?
Still no proof bwian?
Still claim you are sensible? Grin

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cant help yourself can you bwian.... you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others...
You miss things right in front of your face and tell everyone you know better... Grin

You are such a clown such and obsessive ratbag of a clown.
I'd be giving that Dr of Divinity certificate back or throwing it away.... Cheesy

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #56 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

oh dear.... unlike you I'm always sensible bwian... Cheesy

Highly debatable. So, is Pauline a Racist/Bigot/Xenophobe (take your pick)? Roll Eyes

Still obsessing bwian?
Still no proof bwian?
Still claim you are sensible? Grin

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley...

cant help yourself can you bwian.... you like insulting others but like an ignorant child keep blaming others...
You miss things right in front of your face and tell everyone you know better... Grin

You are such a clown such and obsessive ratbag of a clown.
I'd be giving that Dr of Divinity certificate back or throwing it away.... Cheesy

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley...

They are cheap enough to be disposable. Grin

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #57 - Jul 19^th, 2016 at 6:24am Islam does not need to go, what needs to go is the current interpretations of Islam. But unfortunately this cannot happen while regressive left continues down its regressive path. People like the divine doctor don't quite understand the damage they do each time they defend the extremes of Islam.
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Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ?
Reply #58 - Jul 19^th, 2016 at 6:53am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 6:24am:

Islam does not need to go, what needs to go is the current interpretations of Islam.

These are not 'interpretations'.

Christianity allows for 'interpretations' because nowhere does the bible claim to be the literal 'Word of God' as spoken through His Son.

It's why moderate Muslim scholars are unable to cite these violent jihadists as heretics. Peaceful moderates and mass-murdering jihadists are all taking their authority from the same source.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96334	Re: Will ISLAM be gone in 10 years ? Reply #59 - Jul 19^th, 2016 at 9:39am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 19^th, 2016 at 6:24am: Islam does not need to go. Apologist.
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