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Reply #135 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:44pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:21pm:

Quantum wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 5:14pm:

Come on genius, what about Israel?

What about it? I don't care about Israel, I care about Australia and to a lessor extent Italy. Israel has shown that it can defend itself, if it struggles perhaps they should get out of the settlements and get back behind their borders. They'll still have access to the wests technology ...

What about Israel you ask? Let me repeat it again...

If we pull everything out of the Middle East obviously Israel is not going to cease to exist as the Jews will stay there no matter what we do. So if the west being in Middle East is the problem and us leaving it is the solution, how the hell will leaving stop us getting attacked as long as Israel exist? Remember, according to you our presence is the issue, and as far as the Muslims are concerned Israel is a part of the west. How the hell do you get Israel out of the Middle East? Unless you have an answer our withdrawal of everything else but Israel would be meaningless.

So how do you help Australia by pulling out when the real angst of Islam aggression is Israel that ain't going anywhere? If they are going to run people down in France because some American dropped a bomb on them, why will they suddenly stop attacking the west while Israel is still there?

It doesn't matter what you care about Australia or how few f@cks you give about Israel, if what you say is true that from the Muslim point of view that all the west is the enemy and a target for revenge, then Australia (west) will still be target as long as Israel (west) is still there.

So if we all pull all our troops out and Israel stays put, what the hell has your great plan of western withdraw solved?

I don't care about Israel

Israel will have to sort it's own sh1t out.

as to what will it solve? it will create LESS refugees to flood the west, it creates less terrorists and it will make Australia less of a target ... not a bad result if you ask me ... it certainly achieves more than 100 yrs of meddling has achieved.

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It doesn't matter what you care about Australia or how few f@cks you give about Israe
l, if what you say is true that from the Muslim point of view that all the west is the enemy and a target for revenge, then Australia (west) will still be target as long as Israel (west) is still there.

It's obvious that you don't read people's replies, or you are incapable of reading, but you show time and time again that you have no f@cking idea what you are talking about.

Just to be even clearer; it doesn't matter if you hate Israel and even want it wiped off the face of the earth. Your entire argument is that as long as the west is in the Middle East we (Australia) will be a target. Israel is in the Middle East and isnt going anywhere. Therefore your entire suggestion is as useful as wiping your arse with dog shlt in order to clean your bum. Totally f@cking useless!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #136 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm ohhh poor didunms is upset.... did some habibi scare you? I don't consider Israel 'the west' .
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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #137 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:50pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:32pm:

moses wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

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It's about repeating the same friggen mistakes time and time and time and time again expecting a different result. How long before you accept that it's not working and try something different?

Why don't muslims and their apologists accept that islam isn't working and try something else.

How the frig would I know. I told you, leave the muslims to it and they'll either figure it out or kill each other trying

I'm not looking to solve their mistakes, I'm looking to fix ours ...

As long as they are isolated and kept in the Middle east to fight it out with each other, fine with me.

But none of this' I don't care why they are fighting' from you and at the same time 'let them in, they are innocent'.

If they want to come here then we have a very keen interest in the affairs of the places they are coming from.

Keep them out and let both sides lose -fine.

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #138 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:35pm:

.......I don't care about Israel.
Israel will have to sort it's own sh1t out.

as to what will it solve? it will create LESS refugees to flood the west, it creates less terrorists and it will make Australia less of a target ... not a bad result if you ask me ... it certainly achieves more than 100 yrs of meddling has achieved.

john, i am not a jew.
israels not my first concern.

Australia is.
As an Aussie I want no muslims here.

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #139 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:58pm

Frank wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:50pm:

But non of this' I don't care why they are fighting' from you and at the same time ';let them in, they are innocent

wrong ... while we are over there bombing entire towns and leaving millions of people homeless and unable to provide for themselves, then we have to accept our fair share of refugees.

You cause the problem, you have to be part of the solution. If don't like the solution, don't cause the problem.

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Reply #140 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:00pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:35pm:

.......I don't care about Israel.
Israel will have to sort it's own sh1t out.

as to what will it solve? it will create LESS refugees to flood the west, it creates less terrorists and it will make Australia less of a target ... not a bad result if you ask me ... it certainly achieves more than 100 yrs of meddling has achieved.

john, i am not a jew.
israels not my first concern.

Australia is.
As an Aussie I want no muslims here.

It's not about Muslims .. religion is just an excuse. It's about middle easterners.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #142 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:06pm rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:03pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm: I don't consider Israel 'the west' . But the Muslims surrounding them do. that's for Israel and the arabs to sort out .. .like I said, get out of the ME and leave them to sort it out or kill each other.
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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #143 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:00pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:35pm:

.......I don't care about Israel.
Israel will have to sort it's own sh1t out.

as to what will it solve? it will create LESS refugees to flood the west, it creates less terrorists and it will make Australia less of a target ... not a bad result if you ask me ... it certainly achieves more than 100 yrs of meddling has achieved.

john, i am not a jew.
israels not my first concern.

Australia is.
As an Aussie I want no muslims here.

It's not about Muslims .. religion is just an excuse. It's about middle easterners.

As an Aussie I want no 'middle easterners' or muslims here.

Whatever you reckon middle easterners to be ......

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #144 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 10:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Good question Gandalf. Do tell.

Its your argument FD

It's yours Gandalf:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:22pm:

How can someone who holds Muhammad as the best example for mankind "appreciate" freedom and democracy?

And it's a question, not an argument. Answer the question.

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you need to reconcile that with your bogus claim that you believe muslims can embrace freedom and democracy

I believe it was you who made this claim also. But if you insist it is bogus, I'm happy to leave it at that.

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Great idea FD - and how do you suggest that?

Like I keep telling you, your Islamic reform, to the extent it is real, would be a good start. How's that going?

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Personally I'd go for stop invading muslim countries and bombing villages, but thats just me.

So the terrorism is our fault and the only way to stop them it to yield to whatever their demands are for some country on the other side of the world? Should we also step back and watch ISIS rape and pillage their way across the middle east?

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Oh looky here - I do believe we are at yet another impasse!

I never said it would be easy Gandalf.

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The one thing he has in common with them is the "motivation for and explanation of Muslim terrorism" is it?
He openly speaks of practicing a very different typo of Islam than terrorists. Have you not heard him? Read him? What do you mean he never speaks about it?

Ask him about the mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #145 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:46pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Do people have the right to be bigots?

unfortuantely, yes they do

You think freedom of speech and freedom of thought is unfortunate? You should be celebrating it.

what's unfortunate is that for some people it seems to come with no responsibilities. The right to free speech shouldn't automatically include the right to abuse that right.

Can you give an example of such abuse? Would you say that the right to free speech does not come with the right to mock Muhammed?

behead the infidels
put her in a chaff bag and throw her out to sea

and I care as much about Muhammed as I do Felix the cat or frosty the snowman, actually less, the last two at least provide some entertainment for my kids

Should we ban the Koran John?

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #146 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:48pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Do people have the right to be bigots?

unfortuantely, yes they do

You think freedom of speech and freedom of thought is unfortunate? You should be celebrating it.

what's unfortunate is that for some people it seems to come with no responsibilities. The right to free speech shouldn't automatically include the right to abuse that right.

Can you give an example of such abuse? Would you say that the right to free speech does not come with the right to mock Muhammed?

behead the infidels
put her in a chaff bag and throw her out to sea

and I care as much about Muhammed as I do Felix the cat or frosty the snowman, actually less, the last two at least provide some entertainment for my kids

Should we ban the Koran John?

not at all. I didn't call for anyone to be banned

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #147 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 8:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:00pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:35pm:

.......I don't care about Israel.
Israel will have to sort it's own sh1t out.

as to what will it solve? it will create LESS refugees to flood the west, it creates less terrorists and it will make Australia less of a target ... not a bad result if you ask me ... it certainly achieves more than 100 yrs of meddling has achieved.

john, i am not a jew.
israels not my first concern.

Australia is.
As an Aussie I want no muslims here.

It's not about Muslims .. religion is just an excuse. It's about middle easterners.

As an Aussie I want no 'middle easterners' or muslims here.

Whatever you reckon middle easterners to be ......

Only you’re a New Zealander, Sprint. You keep forgetting. You’re as Australian as any immigrant from the Middle East.

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #148 - Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:00am

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm:

I don't consider Israel 'the west' .

It doesn't matter what you think, it's what the Muslims think. Israel equals western money, western weapons, western support, and as you even said yourself, western technology. When your entire argument is that Muslims will leave us alone as long as the west leaves the Middle East, then you have a big problem when the Muslims there see Israel as a western country in their lands. You have no answer for that other than;
"I don't care about Israel"

and
"I don't consider Israel the west"

which is the equivalent of a kid putting their fingers in their ears and screaming "it's my opinion you can't tell me I'm wrong, blah blah blah".

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Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia
Reply #149 - Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:46am

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Do people have the right to be bigots?

unfortuantely, yes they do

You think freedom of speech and freedom of thought is unfortunate? You should be celebrating it.

what's unfortunate is that for some people it seems to come with no responsibilities. The right to free speech shouldn't automatically include the right to abuse that right.

Can you give an example of such abuse? Would you say that the right to free speech does not come with the right to mock Muhammed?

behead the infidels
put her in a chaff bag and throw her out to sea

and I care as much about Muhammed as I do Felix the cat or frosty the snowman, actually less, the last two at least provide some entertainment for my kids

Should we ban the Koran John?

not at all. I didn't call for anyone to be banned

Apologist.

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