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Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Yes its Waleed, but please listen to his message - its a good one.

We shouldn't be fighting and scoring points off each other. We can disagree with Sonia, but we need to understand her legitimate fear. We can't simply dismiss her as a bigot. We need to be constructive, not destructive in discussing this.

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Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

I saw a Lebanese (athiest) client today and even she agrees with Sonia.

There was a civil war between Lebanese muslims and everyone else from Lebanon, the older generation of non muslim Lebanese hate Islam.

Actually another of my clients is a Christian leb born here. His eyes glow with hatred when he talks about what happened to Lebanon.

I have a Maronite Christian lebanese friend Habib who hates muslims and asks me WTF are we doing in letting them come here to bludge off Centrelink.

The hatred is almost as bad as the sunni hatred of shias. Wink

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Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

I saw a Lebanese (athiest) client today and even she agrees with Sonia.

There was a civil war between Lebanese muslims and everyone else from Lebanon, the older generation of non muslim Lebanese hate Islam.

Actually another of my clients is a Christian leb born here. His eyes glow with hatred when he talks about what happened to Lebanon.

I have a Maronite Christian lebanese friend Habib who hates muslims and asks me WTF are we doing in letting them come here to bludge off Centrelink.

The hatred is almost as bad as the sunni hatred of shias. Wink

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Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Yes its Waleed, but please listen to his message - its a good one.

We shouldn't be fighting and scoring points off each other. We can disagree with Sonia, but we need to understand her legitimate fear. We can't simply dismiss her as a bigot. We need to be constructive, not destructive in discussing this.

Strawman argument, its the media attempting to dismiss her as a bigot, not the average Australian who agrees with her. And not just white Australians, I have spoken to quite a few immigrant Chinese and Indians who agree with her view.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:40pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:42pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:40pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:34pm: a lot more disagree Link? have read letter to editors etc all 10? why don't you have a read of the social media sites?
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Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Yes its Waleed, but please listen to his message - its a good one.

We shouldn't be fighting and scoring points off each other. We can disagree with Sonia, but we need to understand her legitimate fear. We can't simply dismiss her as a bigot. We need to be constructive, not destructive in discussing this.

Strawman argument, its the media attempting to dismiss her as a bigot, not the average Australian who agrees with her. And not just white Australians, I have spoken to quite a few immigrant Chinese and Indians who agree with her view.

Many on the left are dismissing her as a bigot. I thought you would understand this more than anyone rhino. This message is directed at them.

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Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:15pm

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 9:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

Yes its Waleed, but please listen to his message - its a good one.

We shouldn't be fighting and scoring points off each other. We can disagree with Sonia, but we need to understand her legitimate fear. We can't simply dismiss her as a bigot. We need to be constructive, not destructive in discussing this.

Strawman argument, its the media attempting to dismiss her as a bigot, not the average Australian who agrees with her. And not just white Australians, I have spoken to quite a few immigrant Chinese and Indians who agree with her view.

Waleed, what a bufoon. Sonia is scared of MUSLIM terroirists.
Muslims become terrorsist because of their ISLAMIC beliefs.

Remove Islam's incitement to violent terrorims - and violent terrorism drops by 95%.

Waleed, focus - it's Islam. Yes, it means you can't blameshift but there is o more credibility left in Muslim blame shifting.

Muslim terrorism is a Muslim problem. You are a Muslim, you fix it or at least address it. It is nobody else's fault that Muslims are terrorists. It's your doing, as Koran believing Muslims. You created Islamic terrorism, you take responsibility for it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:24pm Frank give him a break - he's reaching out to Sonia and you.
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Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

He's reaching out so as to avoid taking responsibility. If he was effective WITHIN the Muslim community he wouldn't need to 'reach out' to the kuffar 'community' (which is what we all are to him, a practicing Muslim).

Don't reach out to the kuffar, Waleed. Be effective in reaching out to the jihadis. That's YOUR role, job, responsibility. You don't need to pacify, calm, reassure the victims of jihad, Waleed, you need to reign in the jihadis. But you are not talking to the jihadis, Waleed, because they do not take you seriously.

Nor does anyone else with a mind.

Get on TV, Waleed, an speak to the jihadis for a change, FFS. You have been haranguing the victims of jihad long enough.

Talk to the jihadis, Waleed.

If you dare, that is.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 11:26pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:24pm: Frank give him a break - he's reaching out to Sonia and you. i dont think he is, i think hes trying for his next logie.
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Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 11:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

He's reaching out so as to avoid taking responsibility. If he was effective WITHIN the Muslim community he wouldn't need to 'reach out' to the kuffar 'community' (which is what we all are to him, a practicing Muslim).

Don't reach out to the kuffar, Waleed. Be effective in reaching out to the jihadis. That's YOUR role, job, responsibility. You don't need to pacify, calm, reassure the victims of jihad, Waleed, you need to reign in the jihadis. But you are not talking to the jihadis, Waleed, because they do not take you seriously.

Nor does anyone else with a mind.

Get on TV, Waleed, an speak to the jihadis for a change, FFS. You have been haranguing the victims of jihad long enough.

Talk to the jihadis, Waleed.

If you dare, that is.

Exactly, his on air diatribe if genuine should have been aimed at Muslims. Instead he has just rather cunningly helped perpetuat the myth that Muslims are the ones being persecuted. Hes a good manipulator though, if he doesnt get a logie for that performance he should get an oscar.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 11:49pm Frank wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:37pm: He's reaching out so as to avoid taking responsibility what is he responsible for?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40703 Gender:	Re: a lot of people agree with Sonia Reply #28 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:50am polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 8:56pm: Yes its Waleed, .............. he is a cultist. you are a cultist I hate your cult
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Reply #29 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:51am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Frank give him a break - he's reaching out to Sonia and you.

He is not reaching out to anyone except for his loyal fans who will get on their knees and worship him for his wonderful insight. Those who he is supposedly reaching out to will see him as nothing but patronising snob.

His comments are nothing but a long drawn-out way of saying 'We should pity the fool'. He says he could "sit here and pull apart Sonia Kruger’s statement" as if nothing she said has any value. The genius pretends to have everything all figured out and he just has to explain it A-B-C like to the poor scared fool. Look at this shlt: "The truth is, what motivates them, is fear. And fear is one thing we all share." No, it's not fear that motivates people criticising Islam. It's a combination of knowledge, common sense, and a pair of fuking eyes to see what's happening in other places around the world and what's already starting to happen here.

The fuking hide of this clown to always assume that his worldview is the correct one and that everyone with a different view is looking through a pair of fearful, bigoted, uneducated eyes, just waiting for correction by him.

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