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Reply #15 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 2:07pm

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 9:45am:

You havent thought this through.

he obviously hasnt thought it through. The ENTIRE PROBLEM is that every mand and his dog (and 4yo child) has a gun. So many people carry guns that a massacre is a weekly occurence.

I have no sympathy for the cops who shot so stupidly, but at the same time, they are facing an armed populace. Stupid, tragic events are always going to happen when everyone - EVERYONE - has guns.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #16 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 2:10pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:13am:

What's to 'think through.'

You want to disarm cops in a country where almost every gang banger and fruit loop carries a gun? A country where cops getting shot at seems like an almost weekly occurrence?

I agree with Honky, you haven't thought this through.

Yes, how many times does it need to be shoved in our faces that they are not responsible gun possessors? They have become uniformed killers of innocent civilians.

So, take their guns off them.

LOL seriously? you think that 'irresponsible use' is the criteria for taking guns off people? if so, the entire populace would be disarmed and unarmed cops would be still able to do their job.

you REALLY havent thought this through.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #17 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 2:11pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 11:35am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 11:04am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:13am:

What's to 'think through.'

You want to disarm cops in a country where almost every gang banger and fruit loop carries a gun? A country where cops getting shot at seems like an almost weekly occurrence?

I agree with Honky, you haven't thought this through.

Yes, how many times does it need to be shoved in our faces that they are not responsible gun possessors? They have become uniformed killers of innocent civilians.

So, take their guns off them.

so far this year over 68 police have been shot to death in the line of duty ... and you want to disarm them? Cheesy

So.....doesn't that establish that having guns is not protecting them?

it does no such thing

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Reply #18 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 2:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 11:35am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 11:04am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:43am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:34am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:13am:

What's to 'think through.'

You want to disarm cops in a country where almost every gang banger and fruit loop carries a gun? A country where cops getting shot at seems like an almost weekly occurrence?

I agree with Honky, you haven't thought this through.

Yes, how many times does it need to be shoved in our faces that they are not responsible gun possessors? They have become uniformed killers of innocent civilians.

So, take their guns off them.

so far this year over 68 police have been shot to death in the line of duty ... and you want to disarm them? Cheesy

So.....doesn't that establish that having guns is not protecting them?

wow... the stupidity of that statement is greens-like.

3000 people died in cars while wearing seat belts. Obviously seat belts shoudl be dumped because they dont keep people safe.

That's your argument, right?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #19 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 2:27pm

Tell me....were those cops who were shot.....umm.......armed?

And yeas, disarm the populace at least to the extent of making it illegal to carry (concealed or otherwise) in a public place.

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That's your argument, right?

No. My point is a response to Mr Smith's comment that disarming cops would lead to them being shot. The facts clearly demonstrate that being armed did not, therefore does not, protect them from being shot.

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Reply #20 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 4:47pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 2:27pm:

And yeas, disarm the populace at least to the extent of making it illegal to carry (concealed or otherwise) in a public place.

The Americans have the 2A to protect them from idiots like you, typical leftard who wants to remove constitutional rights from people.

Statistics show those with concealed carry permits are responsible for less crime than those who don't have concealed carry permits.

Stick to driving taxis arsie you are out of your depth with anything else

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Reply #21 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 5:54pm

Australian says he wants US police forces disarmed, like his opinion has any bearing on the issue.

It might be worth considering this:

There’s no national police force in the US, where policing is organised on a state and local basis. The country has around 500,000 police officers and a total of 40,000 separate police forces, over half of which are simply one or two-man sheriffs’ offices in small towns.

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Reply #22 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 5:58pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 5:54pm:

Australian says he wants US police forces disarmed, like his opinion has any bearing on the issue.

Bizarre, I guess we just shut the Forum down if it is not for expressing opinions which have no bearing.

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It might be worth considering this:

There’s no national police force in the US, where policing is organised on a state and local basis. The country has around 500,000 police officers and a total of 40,000 separate police forces, over half of which are simply one or two-man sheriffs’ offices in small towns.

So what?

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Reply #24 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:27pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

If anything American cops need to be better armed. American cops need to become soldiers. It's that bad. Paramilitary.

I agree completely 'Mr Hammer.' This bloke lying on his back with his arms raised and empty hands was clearly a nasty and threatening military presence and needed to be despathed to history despite the sneaky words of innocence which came out of his mouth.

He deserved each of those three shots. What a disappointment only one hit him.

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Reply #25 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:34pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

If anything American cops need to be better armed. American cops need to become soldiers. It's that bad. Paramilitary.

I agree completely 'Mr Hammer.' This bloke lying on his back with his arms raised and empty hands was clearly a nasty and threatening military presence and needed to be despathed to history despite the sneaky words of innocence which came out of his mouth.

He deserved each of those three shots. What a disappointment only one hit him.

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You have to be careful judging this instance from 50 seconds of footage when this instance probably went for 20 minutes. One thing these videos never show is these black men being non compliant. Do what the cops say- easy!!

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Reply #26 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:10pm

I read an interesting article a while back that suggested the reason for the increased number of police shootings, and police being shot was caused by a combination of factors.

The ready availability of military type firearms, the self fulfilling 'us and them' philosophy of many black people (and others, police included), the 'militarisation' of many US police forces in response to increasingly sophisticated and organised criminal activity, and interestingly, the increasing number of returning veterans with recent combat experience in both the police and the criminal fraternity.
This last is especially interesting. The author suggested that in a stressful situation these police automatically reverted to their military training in dealing with a threat rather than the procedures taught in police training, and the criminals were using their military experience to lay traps and set ambushes with a sophistication previously unknown in criminal circles.

I don't know if I totally agree, but it is certainly an interesting hypothesis.

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Reply #27 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:24pm

Ending the drug war would be huge for the US police/civilian relationship.

If somebody knows they're going to prison - possibly for a very long time - if they get caught with a bud in their pocket, they're going to be extra edgy around police, and police are going to be extra edgy around them.

Apparently the US prison guards union are one of the main lobby groups for keeping marijuana illegal. They have the greatest incarceration rate in the world and the prison guards union are still drumming up business. Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:24pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

If anything American cops need to be better armed. American cops need to become soldiers. It's that bad. Paramilitary.

I agree completely 'Mr Hammer.' This bloke lying on his back with his arms raised and empty hands was clearly a nasty and threatening military presence and needed to be despathed to history despite the sneaky words of innocence which came out of his mouth.

He deserved each of those three shots. What a disappointment only one hit him.

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You have to be careful judging this instance from 50 seconds of footage when this instance probably went for 20 minutes. One thing these videos never show is these black men being non compliant. Do what the cops say- easy!!

Yeas, you are right. That bloke, bristling with militaralia, on his back with his arms in the air, and empty hands, the fella telling the cops he was not armed and neither was the other 'fella,' clearly failed to do what the cops said.

He deserved to be murdered. Do we agree?

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Reply #29 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 7:25pm

The training of U.S. Police in Firearms and the use therof needs to be radically overhauled.

So too, the mental fitness of many who wear the Police Uniform do not have the mental capacity to deal with dangerous situations or situations which because of their 'cowboy tactics' escalate into dangerous situations.

The U.S. Police do have a lot to contend with because of the huge number of firearms freely available in the community.

I feel really sorry for the average hard working cop who has to go out and face many of the community who do have guns and are as crazy as loons.

However it is blatantly obvious that a sh..tload of discipline and training needs to be mandatory for any Police Officer serving in America. It is obviously a low priority in many Police Departments.

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