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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #150 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 7:39pm

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

There is nothing there to say that you cannot bar someone from Australia on religious grounds.

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 501

Refusal or cancellation of visa on character grounds
Decision of Minister or delegate--natural justice applies

         (1) The Minister may refuse to grant a visa to a person if the person does not satisfy the Minister that the person passes the character test.

Note:       Character test is defined by subsection (6).

         (2) The Minister may cancel a visa that has been granted to a person if:

                  (a) the Minister reasonably suspects that the person does not pass the character test; and

                  (b) the person does not satisfy the Minister that the person passes the character test.

Decision of Minister--natural justice does not apply.

(6) For the purposes of this section, a person does not pass the character test if:

                  (a) the person has a substantial criminal record (as defined by subsection (7)); or

                  (aa) the person has been convicted of an offence that was committed:

                           (i) while the person was in immigration detention; or

                           (ii) during an escape by the person from immigration detention; or

                        (iii) after the person escaped from immigration detention but before the person was taken into immigration detention again; or

               (ab) the person has been convicted of an offence against section 197A; or

                  (b) the Minister reasonably suspects:

                        (i) that the person has been or is a member of a group or organisation, or has had or has an association with a group, organisation or person; and

                           (ii) that the group, organisation or person has been or is involved in criminal conduct; or

               (ba) the Minister reasonably suspects that the person has been or is involved in conduct constituting one or more of the following:

                           (i) an offence under one or more of sections 233A to 234A (people smuggling);

                           (ii) an offence of trafficking in persons;

                        (iii) the crime of genocide, a crime against humanity, a war crime, a crime involving torture or slavery or a crime that is otherwise of serious international concern;

                        whether or not the person, or another person, has been convicted of an offence constituted by the conduct; or

                  (c) having regard to either or both of the following:

                           (i) the person's past and present criminal conduct;

                           (ii) the person's past and present general conduct;

                        the person is not of good character; or

                  (d) in the event the person were allowed to enter or to remain in Australia, there is a risk that the person would:

               &nbs...

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #151 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:06pm

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..............Decision of Minister--

natural justice does not apply.

(6) For the purposes of this section, a person does not pass the character test if: ...........

.................(b) the Minister reasonably suspects:

(i) that the person has been or is a member of a group or organisation, or has had or has an association with a group, organisation or person; and

(ii) that the group, organisation or person has been or is involved in criminal conduct; or

............

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(iii) vilify a segment of the Australian community; or

(iv) incite discord in the Australian community or in a segment of that community; or

(v) represent a danger to the Australian community or to a segment of that community, whether by way of being liable to become involved in activities that are disruptive to, or in violence threatening harm to, that community or segment, or in any other way

; or..................

Thanks very much Frank

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #152 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 10:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 9:38pm:

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And as I have pointed out, such a law would be declared unlawful as per Section 116 of the Constitution.

wrong. Only prohibits the government from making laws prohibiting practise of religion in Australia and does not apply to foreign citizens. You keep failing at this Brian.

and YOU are wrong. The constitution bans laws making a state religion or religiously biased laws.

Show how the Australian constitution applies to foreign citizens. Keep sticking that chin out, Lol.

try and get that brain cell back from wherever you left it. the australian constitution applies to EVERYONE IN AUSTRALIA - even when visiting.

You are staggeringly ill-informed on almost every topic. Do you think you are not subject to the laws of any country you visit? A consitution is ultimately no more than the supreme law of that country.

idiot.

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #153 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:37pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 9:06am:

rhino wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 10:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 9:38pm:

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And as I have pointed out, such a law would be declared unlawful as per Section 116 of the Constitution.

wrong. Only prohibits the government from making laws prohibiting practise of religion in Australia and does not apply to foreign citizens. You keep failing at this Brian.

and YOU are wrong. The constitution bans laws making a state religion or religiously biased laws.

Show how the Australian constitution applies to foreign citizens. Keep sticking that chin out, Lol.

It doesn't have to. It applies to the laws that the Australian Parliament passes, wally. Roll Eyes

which do not apply to foreign citizens.

So, the Migration Act doesn't apply to foreigners?

So, all Australian legislation does not apply to foreign residents then?

You really are being silly, you realise? Roll Eyes

correct. Is this had to understand? Does Indonesian law apply in Australia?
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You really are a stupid, stupid person. Pansi-esque in fact.

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #154 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:30pm:

matty wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Three Australians have been killed in less than two years here on our soil ...

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

Stupid argument. How many have been killed by Christian terrorists? Or Jewish terrorists? Or Buddhist terrorists?

Australia has the same amount of Buddhists and Muslims, and yet you never ever hear of any Buddhists causing trouble like Muslims. Ever travel to Lakemba, Lidcombe or Auburn? You'd swear you had just landed in Iraq.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia? Reply #155 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:36pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:21pm: yes, ban any new muslims from here. I would ban islam from Aust. it is a death cult Glad to see someone else with some common sense and care for the country, Sprint.
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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia? Reply #156 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:36pm Bam wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm: matty wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:03pm: Islam is a barbaric, disgusting and violent politicsl ideology So you think you can counter hate with hate? It's not going to work. Actually it's love, love for my country.
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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #157 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:37pm

matty wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:30pm:

matty wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Three Australians have been killed in less than two years here on our soil ...

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

Stupid argument. How many have been killed by Christian terrorists? Or Jewish terrorists? Or Buddhist terrorists?

Australia has the same amount of Buddhists and Muslims, and yet you never ever hear of any Buddhists causing trouble like Muslims. Ever travel to Lakemba, Lidcombe or Auburn? You'd swear you had just landed in Iraq.

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #158 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:38pm

____ wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:06pm:

When will Australian Conservatives stop funding Islamic Fundamentalist Terror via buying Saudi Oil Matty?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469166668

What are you on about woody?

When will Australian leftists stop excusing Islamic terrorism and killing homosexuals just for being homosexuals?

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #159 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

matty wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:30pm:

matty wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Three Australians have been killed in less than two years here on our soil ...

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

Stupid argument. How many have been killed by Christian terrorists? Or Jewish terrorists? Or Buddhist terrorists?

Australia has the same amount of Buddhists and Muslims, and yet you never ever hear of any Buddhists causing trouble like Muslims. Ever travel to Lakemba, Lidcombe or Auburn? You'd swear you had just landed in Iraq.

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

I don't know, do you? However I do know the answer to my question. ZERO.

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #160 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Because it is unconstitutional to discriminate against religious beliefs and cannot possibly work in practice....How do you know someone is a Muslim???

Huh

Of course it can work. Just don't let them come. How to check? See what their religion is before being allowed to come. Middle Eastern Christians are the most persecuted people in the world, they should be allowed here but no Muslims. Their only intention in coming here is to outbreed and take over.

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #161 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:43pm

matty wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:

matty wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:30pm:

matty wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Three Australians have been killed in less than two years here on our soil ...

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

Stupid argument. How many have been killed by Christian terrorists? Or Jewish terrorists? Or Buddhist terrorists?

Australia has the same amount of Buddhists and Muslims, and yet you never ever hear of any Buddhists causing trouble like Muslims. Ever travel to Lakemba, Lidcombe or Auburn? You'd swear you had just landed in Iraq.

And how many have been killed by non-Muslims?

I don't know, do you?

Yes.

Many, many, many more.

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #162 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 12:35am

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

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In August 1992, the Parliamentary Joint Standing Committee on Migration
Regulation, which had been established in 1990, published a report entitled
Australia's refugee and humanitarian system: Achieving a balance between refuge
and control.
33 As a result of that report, the Migration Reform Act 1992 (Cth) was
enacted. Under the 1992 Amending Act the visa was made the single authority
under which, for most purposes, a non-citizen could be permitted to enter into or
remain in Australia.

http://www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/publications/speeches/current-justices/frenchcj/...

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n the last 20 years or so the judicial power has been invoked in the field of migration with far greater frequency than at any other time in our history. Parliament has legislated to try to confine the jurisdiction of the courts and the scope of judicial review. It is, however,a central feature of the Australian Constitution that judicial review of the exercise of power by Commonwealth officers is entrenched. It cannot be removed by statute nor side-stepped by the operation of privative clauses.

Section 116.

Thats referring to review of refugee visa, nothing to do with foreign citizens not yet in australia. if you cant get this brian then ufortunately im just going to have to conclude you are missing a chromosone.

Same principle applies - the Courts control Parliament and prevent excesses based upon mob rule. What is right is not always popular, what is popular is not always right. QED. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #163 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 12:38am

matty wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Because it is unconstitutional to discriminate against religious beliefs and cannot possibly work in practice....How do you know someone is a Muslim???

Huh

Of course it can work. Just don't let them come. How to check? See what their religion is before being allowed to come. Middle Eastern Christians are the most persecuted people in the world, they should be allowed here but no Muslims. Their only intention in coming here is to outbreed and take over.

Bullshit, Matty, just bullshit.

Read up on Constitutional Law and Section 116. It will do you the world of good to actually educate yourself. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why not ban all Muslims coming to Australia?
Reply #164 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 3:25am

[color=#0000ff][/color]Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25^th, 2016 at 12:38am:

matty wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 1:05pm:

Because it is unconstitutional to discriminate against religious beliefs and cannot possibly work in practice....How do you know someone is a Muslim???

Huh

Of course it can work. Just don't let them come. How to check? See what their religion is before being allowed to come. Middle Eastern Christians are the most persecuted people in the world, they should be allowed here but no Muslims. Their only intention in coming here is to outbreed and take over.

Bullshit, Matty, just bullshit.

Read up on Constitutional Law and Section 116. It will do you the world of good to actually educate yourself. Roll Eyes

Actually they can. Just use character test to deny visas.

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Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.

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