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Re: Why Obama Will Go Down as One of the Greatest
Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 1:04pm
 
Squire wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:14am:
I don't believe Obama's morals are any better than any other politician. However Obama's greatest achievement is to turn the GOP into a lame duck in Obama's second term.

From a position of being outnumbered in Congress and Senate Obama has managed to continue his agenda while the GOP has failed in their agenda.

Obama's strategy and tactics will be much studied by students of politics.


I think that is the most reasonable post you, or your other alter-egos, have posted.
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Reply #16 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm
 
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.
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Reply #17 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 4:10pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.



There are certain elements of what you believe, that I can go along with. But you nearly always conclude with a paragraph which is as much a flight of fancy as those of the  leftist, do-gooder, fruit cakes of this forum.

Students of history understand that US innovation has been of tremendous benefit to the world, as well as the US. Of course I am putting aside negatives for a moment. I have trouble with your emphasis. Your endorsement of US capitalism is so thorough that it almost sounds like you read on a Kellogg's packet.

That view of America was established more than a century ago, and it was time when American workers suffered greatly, but generally kept quiet, and as the saying goes, they worked so hard they died standing up. Take an honest look at Pittsburgh or West Virginia in 1900. That's not the Walt Disney version of America.

And to digress for a moment, the fall of Soviet Union was the fault of Soviet policy, not the success of US policy. When Reagan said, "Tear down this wall," he knew he would look good, because it was already falling inward.

But to return to your perspective of what people deserve, you seem to think that everyone is born on a level playing field. We are not, and for many reasons. Every day I interact with people who, under any circumstances, would never have entrepreneurial skills, let alone take charge of a situation. But they are the ones who have borne the brunt of defending America in war after war. In the past, they could be abandoned to menial tasks and eventual penury, but those days are gone, and only a dinosaur would think those days are coming back.

The trouble with success is that it insulates the successful, and in a lot of cases, they subconsciously feel if they can achieve it, then anyone can, especially in the good old USA. The reality is that you must have the capacity and the opportunity. They are two things a lot of people will never have.
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Reply #18 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 4:48pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.



There are certain elements of what you believe, that I can go along with. But you nearly always conclude with a paragraph which is as much a flight of fancy as those of the  leftist, do-gooder, fruit cakes of this forum.

Students of history understand that US innovation has been of tremendous benefit to the world, as well as the US. Of course I am putting aside negatives for a moment. I have trouble with your emphasis. Your endorsement of US capitalism is so thorough that it almost sounds like you read on a Kellogg's packet.

That view of America was established more than a century ago, and it was time when American workers suffered greatly, but generally kept quiet, and as the saying goes, they worked so hard they died standing up. Take an honest look at Pittsburgh or West Virginia in 1900. That's not the Walt Disney version of America.

And to digress for a moment, the fall of Soviet Union was the fault of Soviet policy, not the success of US policy. When Reagan said, "Tear down this wall," he knew he would look good, because it was already falling inward.

But to return to your perspective of what people deserve, you seem to think that everyone is born on a level playing field. We are not, and for many reasons. Every day I interact with people who, under any circumstances, would never have entrepreneurial skills, let alone take charge of a situation. But they are the ones who have borne the brunt of defending America in war after war. In the past, they could be abandoned to menial tasks and eventual penury, but those days are gone, and only a dinosaur would think those days are coming back.

The trouble with success is that it insulates the successful, and in a lot of cases, they subconsciously feel if they can achieve it, then anyone can, especially in the good old USA. The reality is that you must have the capacity and the opportunity. They are two things a lot of people will never have.


Good reply!

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Reply #19 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 8:37am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.



There are certain elements of what you believe, that I can go along with. But you nearly always conclude with a paragraph which is as much a flight of fancy as those of the  leftist, do-gooder, fruit cakes of this forum.

. Your endorsement of US capitalism is so thorough that it almost sounds like you read on a Kellogg's packet.

That view of America was established more than a century ago, and it was time when American workers suffered greatly, but generally kept quiet, and as the saying goes, they worked so hard they died standing up. Take an honest look at Pittsburgh or West Virginia in 1900. That's not the Walt Disney version of America.

And to digress for a moment, the fall of Soviet Union was the fault of Soviet policy, not the success of US policy. When Reagan said, "Tear down this wall," he knew he would look good, because it was already falling inward.

But to return to your perspective of what people deserve, you seem to think that everyone is born on a level playing field. We are not, and for many reasons. Every day I interact with people who, under any circumstances, would never have entrepreneurial skills, let alone take charge of a situation. But they are the ones who have borne the brunt of defending America in war after war. In the past, they could be abandoned to menial tasks and eventual penury, but those days are gone, and only a dinosaur would think those days are coming back.

The trouble with success is that it insulates the successful, and in a lot of cases, they subconsciously feel if they can achieve it, then anyone can, especially in the good old USA. The reality is that you must have the capacity and the opportunity. They are two things a lot of people will never have.


this is simply not true.
the child of a priveledged family is at very little advantage over a child of a poor family  PROVIDED the parents of the poorer family have the right personal philosophy.

With free education, unlimited access to books and learning and , good nutrition, there is NOTHING a poor child cannot achieve that a rich child can.

Now if the parents have a poor work ethic, addiction to substance or alcohol, addiction to low quality food, addiction to Durrr state tv and internet, then the child will soak this up like a sponge.
But all of the above are failings of personal philosophy and have zippo, nought, nil and nothing to do with Washington.

In fact, a rich child could be seen to be at a disadvantage because he/she will not have to grow thru the 1000's of reference experiences that are available to the poor child who gets to grind it out and develop the strength of character that defines success.

the paradox is that what seems an advantage, if you allow it to let you take shortcuts and not develop core strengths...it is not an advantage at all.

as an example, a beautiful rich young girl may get lots of free dinners and guys giving her lots of attention and she may not need to do anything to be going out and having fun....til she hits 35

a plain asian girl who works in mum and dads takeaway and learns to smile and be pleasant, has good manners and a blue collar work ethic, who studies at night while the bratty girl parties...when she hits 35, she has all that muscle, all that deep foundational stuff, all those anchors and reference experiences, she is going to absolutley be stunting on the rich girl. the rich girl will be destroyed by her own personal weak philosophy
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Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 8:41am
 
One of the greatest white and christian hating mistakes the American people have ever made.
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Reply #21 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 1:09pm
 
Scoot, I am not going to restate my case. Its there for anyone who is interested. You are saying anyone can be wealthy as long as they have the right attitude. What a gross simplification of the human condition. But the idea of everyone being wealthy doesn't add up either. If that were the case, wealth would cancel itself out. We would probably have to go back to the barter system. I get the impression you have been comfortable too long.
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Reply #22 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 10:58am
 
The White House economists just announced that GDP for Obama’s last year will be 1.9 percent. Obama will therefore become the only president in America’s history to never produce a single year of 3 percent or higher GDP. Even Herbert Hoover outperformed Obama!

The longest previous streak of under 3 percent GDP in the history of America was four years (1930 to 1933) during the depths of the Great Depression.

From 1790 to 2000, America’s economy averaged GDP growth of 3.79 percent. Obama’s eight years are on pace to average GDP of 1.55 percent — substantially less than half of our country’s average economic growth for 210 years.

Even worse, GDP for Obama’s entire time as President was just downgraded by the Commerce Department by more than $300 billion.

For the first time in American history, more businesses are being destroyed each day than are being created.

There are 70 percent more Americans collecting entitlement checks than working in the private sector (148 million “takers” vs. 86 million “makers”). This is a fact provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Thirteen of the 23 Obamacare State Co-Op Exchanges have failed (gone bust and broke). The remaining 10 have losses of over $200 million per year. The $1.24 billion of federal start-up money used to start them all is most probably gone forever. It will never be repaid.

In this Obama economy, 40 percent of American workers now earn less (adjusted for inflation) than a full-time minimum wage worker in 1968.

Some 20 percent of U.S. families don’t have a single member who is employed:

A record number of Americans are not in the workforce (over 94 million):

More Young Americans now live with their parents than at any time since Great Depression.

43 percent of the 22 million student loan borrowers aren’t making any loan payments.

Two thirds of Americans don’t have $500 for an emergency bill.

Food stamp use under Obama is up by 43 percent.

The number of new food stamp recipients under Obama is 3 times higher than new job recipients (13,298,000 added to food stamp rolls vs 4,276,000 new jobs since January 2009).

The middle class has shrunk in nine out of every ten U.S. cities.

For the first time in almost a half century, the middle class is no longer the economic majority in America. Pew reported the middle class is “disappearing” and “hollowing out.”

It’s time to make the U.S. economy the centerpiece of the Trump campaign. Run TV ads 24/7 touting the real facts about the Obama-Hillary economy.
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Reply #23 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 11:11am
 
What is the US dept position after Obama?

Pretty sure Baby Bush blew out the budget, did Obama start to fix it?


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Reply #24 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 11:33am
 
Obama doesn't even come close

He's down there with Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover, Woodrow Wilson & etc.

Correction: he's not "with" them he's below them.
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Reply #25 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:19pm
 
Its pretty easy to give yourself an armchair ride and be everybodies friend while putting everything on the bankcard for someone else to pay
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