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Jul 24th, 2016 at 5:20pm
 
Why Obama Will Go Down as One of the Greatest of all time

Something is dawning on us—it’s almost too soon for us to admit, but it’s there, a half-considered thought only now blooming in our brains. Maybe we dismiss it with one of those quick cognitive fly swats. Nah, too early to say or I hate that guy. But the truth is coming, and it sounds like this: Barack Obama will be inducted into the league of Great Presidents.

Wait. One of the Greatest? you ask, your thumb emoticon poised to turn up or down on me. The guy haters love to hate with their very best hate game? Like 20-Dollar Bill great? Like Mount Rushmore great?

Yep. (We just won’t build Mount Rushmores anymore.) In so many ways, Obama was better than we imagined, better than the body politic deserved, and far, far better than his enemies will ever concede, but the great thing about being great is that the verdict of enemies doesn’t matter.

In fact, and I say this as a Bill Clinton fan, I now feel certain that, in the coming decades, Obama’s star will rise higher than Clinton’s, and he’ll replace Bill in the public mind as the Greatest Democrat since FDR.

This has to do with the nature of Obama’s leadership, which is to play to legacy (and Clinton’s impulse, which is to play to the room). Bill Clinton will long be revered because he’s charismatic, presided over an economic revival, and changed and elevated the view of the Democratic Party. Barack Obama will long be revered because he’s charismatic, presided over an economic revival, and changed and elevated the view of the presidency. He’s simply bigger than Bill.

More to the point, Obama’s legacy is the sort that gets canonized. Because the first rule of Hall of Fame-dom: The times have to suck for the president not to. Civil wars, World Wars, depressions and recessions. You got to have ’em if you wanna be great. That’s why we rate the Washingtons, Lincolns, and Roosevelts over That Fat Guy with the Walrus Mustache. Like Obama, these Great Men were dealt sucky hands, won big, and left the country better off than it was before.

    To unify where and however we can. In this way, too, Obama pointed the way forward.

But it’s also why we downgrade the Jimmy Carters and Herbert Hoovers. Were they as bad in real time as we remember them in history? Probably not. But they were dealt sucky hands, only played one round, and left the country feeling worse off. Legacy Game over. (Hoover reminds me more and more of Donald Trump! Elected with little political experience, Hoover was a rich bastard whose central theme was that government was wasteful. His answer to the Great Depression was to start a trade war and build a massive project called the Hoover Dam. The dam turned out to be a giant wall that did not stop or solve larger problems. Déjà vu, thy name is Trump Wall!)

Obama has a few other edges in the long haul of history, beyond specific hurrah moments like Obamacare, rescuing the economy, and making America way more bi-curious. Being the first black president of course secures a certain legacy. But what now feels distinctly possible is that, just as Martin Luther King Jr. dreamed, over time he may be judged less for the color of his skin than for the content of his character. That character came across every time haters or Trumpers or birthers tried to pull him down into the mud or question his American-ness. He just flew above it all. And, luckily, he took most of us with him. He was the Leader not only of our country but of our mood and disposition, which is harder to rule. At a time when we became more polarized, our discourse pettier and more poisoned, Obama always came across as the Adult in the Room, the one we wanted to be and follow.

Ironically, one of the lock-ins to his Hall of Fame Greatness was originally supposed to be his Achilles’ heel, the shallow thing critics loved to smear him with: his eloquence, his “reliance” on speeches and teleprompters (Sarah Palin once famously screeched, “Mr. President…step away from the teleprompter and do your job!” while herself reading from a teleprompter), as if addressing the country as a whole, trying to unify or inspire people, were a superficial thing. But pivotal words at pivotal moments are not only how we come to admire great leaders, it’s the primary way we remember them. The first thing most people can recall about Lincoln? The Gettysburg Address. FDR? Fireside chats. George Washington? His amazing Snapchats. (George was first with everything.)


With Obama, each thoughtful step of the way, from his soaring acceptance speech (“The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep…”) to his epic speeches on race and religion, his responses to the shootings in Tucson and Newtown, the killing of Osama bin Laden, the opening of Cuba (“Todos somos Americanos!”), and countless other momentous occasions, he knew how to speak to our better angels at a time when it was hard to locate any angels.

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...cont

Lastly, there’s the arc of history, bound to bend downward. As our unity becomes more frayed, more tenuous, and the ability for any politician to get anything done more unlikely, the job of president will become less LBJ tactical and less FDR big-dealer. The job will largely be to preside. To unify where and however we can. In this way, too, Obama pointed the way forward.

It may be hard to imagine now, but in the face of rising chaos, we’ll crave unity all the more, and in future years whoever can speak most convincingly of unity will rise to the top. (It’s also hard to imagine many beating Obama at the game.) This year’s carnival election, with Trump as a kind of debauched circus barker, only makes the distinction clearer. The absurdity and car-crash spectacle of it all have already lent Obama an out-of-time quality, as if he were a creature from another, loftier century. Whatever happens next, I feel this in my bones: We’ll look back at history, hopefully when we’re zooming down the Barack Obama Hyperloop Transport System, and think: That man was rare. And we were damn lucky to have him.

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Yeah, trying to rule via fiat instead of the Senate.
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lee wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 6:47pm:
Yeah, trying to rule via fiat instead of the Senate.


Did he have much of an alternative?
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Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 6:55pm:
Did he have much of an alternative?



There are always alternatives. Just imagine if Abbott had tried that, ruling by decree.
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Reply #5 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 8:03pm
 
How stupid.

There would be no Trump without Obama.
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Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 24th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
...cont

Lastly, there’s the arc of history, bound to bend downward. As our unity becomes more frayed, more tenuous, and the ability for any politician to get anything done more unlikely, the job of president will become less LBJ tactical and less FDR big-dealer. The job will largely be to preside. To unify where and however we can. In this way, too, Obama pointed the way forward.

It may be hard to imagine now, but in the face of rising chaos, we’ll crave unity all the more, and in future years whoever can speak most convincingly of unity will rise to the top. (It’s also hard to imagine many beating Obama at the game.) This year’s carnival election, with Trump as a kind of debauched circus barker, only makes the distinction clearer. The absurdity and car-crash spectacle of it all have already lent Obama an out-of-time quality, as if he were a creature from another, loftier century. Whatever happens next, I feel this in my bones: We’ll look back at history, hopefully when we’re zooming down the Barack Obama Hyperloop Transport System, and think: That man was rare. And we were damn lucky to have him.

http://www.gq.com/story/obama-greatest-president-legacy



How pathetic.


It's all emoting, no mention of any achievements - because there have been none.




meanwhile at the democratic Party Convention;

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania — Supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) adopted a slogan from the Republican National Convention in their protests against presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on Sunday: “Lock her up!”




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Frank wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 6:19pm:
It's all emoting, no mention of any achievements - because there have been none.


There's been one   Cool


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Well, that's a ringing endorsement, Redneck. A lot of opinion and not much substance. However, I don't accept half the criticism leveled at Obama. He is not what I would call great. Good, all the same. Presidents don't run the economy. If they did, the stock market would tank. All they can do is nudge legislation this way or that. Obama has made the first real effort to do something about health care in the USA. It may not be perfect, but if it were left to the Republicans, it would never happen. That is their short sight playing into the hands of their opponents.

You can bet if if the US military killed bin Laden during the Bush adminstration, we would hear no end of how it was Bush's brilliance. Obama has tried hard to keep US troops out of the never ending conflict in the ME. That was a main issue that got him elected, and he has done his best. That being said, his support for the Syrian rebels is as naive as America can be. Although, it does benefit Israel.

By the way, if Obama is to by defined by race, he is not black. He is a mulatto, and his children are quatroons. But the way his blackness is presented, its like his mother doesn't count.
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Reply #10 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:28am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 8:18am:
Well, that's a ringing endorsement, Redneck. A lot of opinion and not much substance. However, I don't accept half the criticism leveled at Obama. He is not what I would call great. Good, all the same. Presidents don't run the economy. If they did, the stock market would tank. All they can do is nudge legislation this way or that. Obama has made the first real effort to do something about health care in the USA. It may not be perfect, but if it were left to the Republicans, it would never happen. That is their short sight playing into the hands of their opponents.

You can bet if if the US military killed bin Laden during the Bush adminstration, we would hear no end of how it was Bush's brilliance. Obama has tried hard to keep US troops out of the never ending conflict in the ME. That was a main issue that got him elected, and he has done his best. That being said, his support for the Syrian rebels is as naive as America can be. Although, it does benefit Israel.

By the way, if Obama is to by defined by race, he is not black. He is a mulatto, and his children are quatroons. But the way his blackness is presented, its like his mother doesn't count.


I just think he is a lot better than all the rightards claim, the hawks all say he is too soft militarily but he just did what the public wanted when he was initially elected  and pulled the troops out of the ME, despite this the USA has used aircraft and drones to massively bomb the crap out of IS and lots of the other terrorist groups in ME and Africa

as far as that graph below is concerned (origin unknown), I think he will be be seen in a better light as years go by, unfortunately he is in his second term and the usual lame duck president applies to him as most others in the same boat. I really think the two term rule really needs dropping.
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Reply #11 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 9:34am
 
Black Orchid wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 6:22pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 26th, 2016 at 6:19pm:
It's all emoting, no mention of any achievements - because there have been none.


There's been one   Cool





Kennedy was widely hated among the Right during his time. No coincidence he was assassinated in Texas and not some other place. Because he was killed the Right will now say things like "JFK was the last good Democrat" ... had he lived he would get the FDR treatment:

FDR was even more hated by the Right than JFK and one can always tell a nutter by how quickly an FDR online conversation turns into "FDR prolonged the Great Depression" and "the New Deal failed" ...  FDR is literally the devil to these people.
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Reply #12 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:09am
 
  You gotta love Obama ........ not!
What a great salesman he is - conned millions of Americans. Seems that the conspiracy theorists were right.
Watch!

 
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Only 19 seconds, Sent by a German friend after the YouTube version from the US was pulled.

If you haven't heard this you should listen to it. It only takes 19 seconds.

It's unbelievable that Obama actually says this out loud!  This Obama speech was given at the Bilderberg Group conference in Brussels, Belgium, on May 23, 2014. Obama's comments are chilling - THIS IS THE NEW WORLD ORDER that has been percolating through a number of American presidencies and other world leaders, and now seems to be coming into fruition

PLEASE pass it on to everyone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRtbIQ1kTw&feature=youtu.be

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I don't believe Obama's morals are any better than any other politician. However Obama's greatest achievement is to turn the GOP into a lame duck in Obama's second term.

From a position of being outnumbered in Congress and Senate Obama has managed to continue his agenda while the GOP has failed in their agenda.

Obama's strategy and tactics will be much studied by students of politics.
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Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 11:57am
 
Squire wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:14am:
Obama's strategy and tactics will be much studied by students of politics.



It will be interesting to see what decree rulings will be overturned by a new President.
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Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2016 at 1:04pm
 
Squire wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:14am:
I don't believe Obama's morals are any better than any other politician. However Obama's greatest achievement is to turn the GOP into a lame duck in Obama's second term.

From a position of being outnumbered in Congress and Senate Obama has managed to continue his agenda while the GOP has failed in their agenda.

Obama's strategy and tactics will be much studied by students of politics.


I think that is the most reasonable post you, or your other alter-egos, have posted.
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America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.
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aquascoot wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.



There are certain elements of what you believe, that I can go along with. But you nearly always conclude with a paragraph which is as much a flight of fancy as those of the  leftist, do-gooder, fruit cakes of this forum.

Students of history understand that US innovation has been of tremendous benefit to the world, as well as the US. Of course I am putting aside negatives for a moment. I have trouble with your emphasis. Your endorsement of US capitalism is so thorough that it almost sounds like you read on a Kellogg's packet.

That view of America was established more than a century ago, and it was time when American workers suffered greatly, but generally kept quiet, and as the saying goes, they worked so hard they died standing up. Take an honest look at Pittsburgh or West Virginia in 1900. That's not the Walt Disney version of America.

And to digress for a moment, the fall of Soviet Union was the fault of Soviet policy, not the success of US policy. When Reagan said, "Tear down this wall," he knew he would look good, because it was already falling inward.

But to return to your perspective of what people deserve, you seem to think that everyone is born on a level playing field. We are not, and for many reasons. Every day I interact with people who, under any circumstances, would never have entrepreneurial skills, let alone take charge of a situation. But they are the ones who have borne the brunt of defending America in war after war. In the past, they could be abandoned to menial tasks and eventual penury, but those days are gone, and only a dinosaur would think those days are coming back.

The trouble with success is that it insulates the successful, and in a lot of cases, they subconsciously feel if they can achieve it, then anyone can, especially in the good old USA. The reality is that you must have the capacity and the opportunity. They are two things a lot of people will never have.
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issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.



There are certain elements of what you believe, that I can go along with. But you nearly always conclude with a paragraph which is as much a flight of fancy as those of the  leftist, do-gooder, fruit cakes of this forum.

Students of history understand that US innovation has been of tremendous benefit to the world, as well as the US. Of course I am putting aside negatives for a moment. I have trouble with your emphasis. Your endorsement of US capitalism is so thorough that it almost sounds like you read on a Kellogg's packet.

That view of America was established more than a century ago, and it was time when American workers suffered greatly, but generally kept quiet, and as the saying goes, they worked so hard they died standing up. Take an honest look at Pittsburgh or West Virginia in 1900. That's not the Walt Disney version of America.

And to digress for a moment, the fall of Soviet Union was the fault of Soviet policy, not the success of US policy. When Reagan said, "Tear down this wall," he knew he would look good, because it was already falling inward.

But to return to your perspective of what people deserve, you seem to think that everyone is born on a level playing field. We are not, and for many reasons. Every day I interact with people who, under any circumstances, would never have entrepreneurial skills, let alone take charge of a situation. But they are the ones who have borne the brunt of defending America in war after war. In the past, they could be abandoned to menial tasks and eventual penury, but those days are gone, and only a dinosaur would think those days are coming back.

The trouble with success is that it insulates the successful, and in a lot of cases, they subconsciously feel if they can achieve it, then anyone can, especially in the good old USA. The reality is that you must have the capacity and the opportunity. They are two things a lot of people will never have.


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issuevoter wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 4:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 2:12pm:
America, or the idea that is America, has been SOOOO successful because it has always been wary of big government.

europe and the soviet union say that the right place for power and control of the flow of $$$ is with a central authroity. a central authority knows best what is good for the people.

America, at its core, has always believed that the people know best how to earn a buck and how to spend a buck (well at least until recent decades).

And the fall of the soviet union leaving the USA as the one remaining superpower showed that the american model was the correct model.
The american model of smaller government and capitalist competition had prevailed, It had won.

And then, at the very pinnacle of their success, they, for reasons unbeknown to common sense, started to copy the failed policies of the socialist democratic countries of europe with expanding welfare system and worrying more about minorities then the engine room of growth...the marvellous entrepreneurial spirit of Wall St and Silicon Valley  had to play second fiddle to "affirmative action" and "medicaid" and a blossoming welfare state.

America is living proof that the mountain you have to climb , the mountian of success you climb, so that you can reach the pinnacle , is a muddy mountain. When you get to the top, if you just rest and admire the view, you immediately start slipping down those muddy slopes. You have to have a rational paranoia about failure and realise that success is difficult to obtain and fleeting in its nature.
America did not learn these lessons and successive poor leadership from carter, the bushes, clinton, obama and now probably clinton again have seen them sliding down that slope.
There is a very narrow road to success and Obama has been asleep at the wheel.



There are certain elements of what you believe, that I can go along with. But you nearly always conclude with a paragraph which is as much a flight of fancy as those of the  leftist, do-gooder, fruit cakes of this forum.

. Your endorsement of US capitalism is so thorough that it almost sounds like you read on a Kellogg's packet.

That view of America was established more than a century ago, and it was time when American workers suffered greatly, but generally kept quiet, and as the saying goes, they worked so hard they died standing up. Take an honest look at Pittsburgh or West Virginia in 1900. That's not the Walt Disney version of America.

And to digress for a moment, the fall of Soviet Union was the fault of Soviet policy, not the success of US policy. When Reagan said, "Tear down this wall," he knew he would look good, because it was already falling inward.

But to return to your perspective of what people deserve, you seem to think that everyone is born on a level playing field. We are not, and for many reasons. Every day I interact with people who, under any circumstances, would never have entrepreneurial skills, let alone take charge of a situation. But they are the ones who have borne the brunt of defending America in war after war. In the past, they could be abandoned to menial tasks and eventual penury, but those days are gone, and only a dinosaur would think those days are coming back.

The trouble with success is that it insulates the successful, and in a lot of cases, they subconsciously feel if they can achieve it, then anyone can, especially in the good old USA. The reality is that you must have the capacity and the opportunity. They are two things a lot of people will never have.


this is simply not true.
the child of a priveledged family is at very little advantage over a child of a poor family  PROVIDED the parents of the poorer family have the right personal philosophy.

With free education, unlimited access to books and learning and , good nutrition, there is NOTHING a poor child cannot achieve that a rich child can.

Now if the parents have a poor work ethic, addiction to substance or alcohol, addiction to low quality food, addiction to Durrr state tv and internet, then the child will soak this up like a sponge.
But all of the above are failings of personal philosophy and have zippo, nought, nil and nothing to do with Washington.

In fact, a rich child could be seen to be at a disadvantage because he/she will not have to grow thru the 1000's of reference experiences that are available to the poor child who gets to grind it out and develop the strength of character that defines success.

the paradox is that what seems an advantage, if you allow it to let you take shortcuts and not develop core strengths...it is not an advantage at all.

as an example, a beautiful rich young girl may get lots of free dinners and guys giving her lots of attention and she may not need to do anything to be going out and having fun....til she hits 35

a plain asian girl who works in mum and dads takeaway and learns to smile and be pleasant, has good manners and a blue collar work ethic, who studies at night while the bratty girl parties...when she hits 35, she has all that muscle, all that deep foundational stuff, all those anchors and reference experiences, she is going to absolutley be stunting on the rich girl. the rich girl will be destroyed by her own personal weak philosophy
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Reply #20 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 8:41am
 
One of the greatest white and christian hating mistakes the American people have ever made.
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Reply #21 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 1:09pm
 
Scoot, I am not going to restate my case. Its there for anyone who is interested. You are saying anyone can be wealthy as long as they have the right attitude. What a gross simplification of the human condition. But the idea of everyone being wealthy doesn't add up either. If that were the case, wealth would cancel itself out. We would probably have to go back to the barter system. I get the impression you have been comfortable too long.
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Reply #22 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 10:58am
 
The White House economists just announced that GDP for Obama’s last year will be 1.9 percent. Obama will therefore become the only president in America’s history to never produce a single year of 3 percent or higher GDP. Even Herbert Hoover outperformed Obama!

The longest previous streak of under 3 percent GDP in the history of America was four years (1930 to 1933) during the depths of the Great Depression.

From 1790 to 2000, America’s economy averaged GDP growth of 3.79 percent. Obama’s eight years are on pace to average GDP of 1.55 percent — substantially less than half of our country’s average economic growth for 210 years.

Even worse, GDP for Obama’s entire time as President was just downgraded by the Commerce Department by more than $300 billion.

For the first time in American history, more businesses are being destroyed each day than are being created.

There are 70 percent more Americans collecting entitlement checks than working in the private sector (148 million “takers” vs. 86 million “makers”). This is a fact provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Thirteen of the 23 Obamacare State Co-Op Exchanges have failed (gone bust and broke). The remaining 10 have losses of over $200 million per year. The $1.24 billion of federal start-up money used to start them all is most probably gone forever. It will never be repaid.

In this Obama economy, 40 percent of American workers now earn less (adjusted for inflation) than a full-time minimum wage worker in 1968.

Some 20 percent of U.S. families don’t have a single member who is employed:

A record number of Americans are not in the workforce (over 94 million):

More Young Americans now live with their parents than at any time since Great Depression.

43 percent of the 22 million student loan borrowers aren’t making any loan payments.

Two thirds of Americans don’t have $500 for an emergency bill.

Food stamp use under Obama is up by 43 percent.

The number of new food stamp recipients under Obama is 3 times higher than new job recipients (13,298,000 added to food stamp rolls vs 4,276,000 new jobs since January 2009).

The middle class has shrunk in nine out of every ten U.S. cities.

For the first time in almost a half century, the middle class is no longer the economic majority in America. Pew reported the middle class is “disappearing” and “hollowing out.”

It’s time to make the U.S. economy the centerpiece of the Trump campaign. Run TV ads 24/7 touting the real facts about the Obama-Hillary economy.
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Reply #23 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 11:11am
 
What is the US dept position after Obama?

Pretty sure Baby Bush blew out the budget, did Obama start to fix it?


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Obama doesn't even come close

He's down there with Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover, Woodrow Wilson & etc.

Correction: he's not "with" them he's below them.
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Reply #25 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:19pm
 
Its pretty easy to give yourself an armchair ride and be everybodies friend while putting everything on the bankcard for someone else to pay
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