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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The Donald "Meets the Press" Reply #15 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 10:52am Exactly what? You're repeating yourself.
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Reply #16 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

Exactly what? You're repeating yourself.

My point was in the first place that isolationism in the context of the US is the worst possible outcome for the US and the world.

It was hard enough to get the US to re-engage with the world after WW1 as it was without the moronic Trump encouraging isolationism like its a new purchase plan for a condominium.

So... Exactly! It took long enough to re-engage the US and an enormous cost... What kind of simpleton would back an idiot promoting isolationism?

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Reply #17 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 1:40pm

This kind of simpleton:
1 agrees with exiting the WTO unless it makes trade a level playing field, which it won't & can't, instead of supporting the cheats and castigating the honest players

2 supports the US getting the FCK out of Europe if the Europeans won't provide even a moderate level of their own defence. There are 500 million of them for crissakes but they are happy just to take & take from the US. Enough already. Are the American people supposed to bankrupt themselves for a lot of fat lazy Germans?

And please, if you want to discuss with me, moderate your abuse.

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Reply #18 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2016 at 1:40pm:

This kind of simpleton:
1 agrees with exiting the WTO unless it makes trade a level playing field, which it won't & can't, instead of supporting the cheats and castigating the honest players

2 supports the US getting the FCK out of Europe if the Europeans won't provide even a moderate level of their own defence. There are 500 million of them for crissakes but they are happy just to take & take from the US. Enough already. Are the American people supposed to bankrupt themselves for a lot of fat lazy Germans?

And please, if you want to discuss with me, moderate your abuse.

Yairs... Of course... Empires don't really get to choose when they get out, not the circumstances and definitely not the consequences of their leaving...

Does exiting Iraq not provide some insight into the problem with imperial exit strategies? Does India and Pakistan after Britain's hasty exit not offer some historical corroboration? How about the sudden disintegration of the Ottoman Empire? Went alright, did it? How about the Austro-Hungarian Empire disintegration? Or the fall of the Kaiser after WW1... etc, etc, etc...

The only true exit strategy possible for an imperial power is collapse... Do you think the US armed services, the 'oligarchical' families of US capitalism and the average 'patriotic Joes' are really going to sanction a US imperial collapse?

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The Donald "Meets the Press" Reply #19 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 5:28pm Without getting into blanket support for Trump, he is right about Islam, and he is right about NATO in that it is defending Europe that continually badmouths the US. If they want to defend themselves against Russia, they are going the right way.
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Reply #20 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 5:31pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 25^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

and he is right about NATO in that it is defending Europe that continually badmouths the US.

Try to remember that the US is not a pubescent girl.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 25^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

If they want to defend themselves against Russia, they are going the right way.

Do you really think a showdown with Russia would stop at Europe?

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The Donald "Meets the Press" Reply #21 - Jul 26^th, 2016 at 11:52am Listen here to Anthony Scaramucci ("Trump's Man on Wall St") interviewed on trade issues & the WTO inter alia: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041dlr3 And some further discussion on economic issues in relation to Trump campaign: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041972d
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