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The Donald "Meets the Press"
Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:09am  
Some take always from recent NBC interview:

- we might quit the WTO, it's a disaster
- this followed a question on his oft-repeated promise, stated again, to slap a 30% import tax on companies that moved manufacturing o/s, like to Mexico or China
- NATO might have to go if members didn't shoulder their fair share of defence costs. This is not 50 years ago, this is now and America isn't the same country.

He isn't joking and his outlook wouldn't be changed, as has been suggested, when he gets Intel briefings.
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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:22am  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:09am:
He isn't joking and his outlook wouldn't be changed, as has been suggested, when he gets Intel briefings.

Its not about joking... The man is a pathological liar and a fool.

The end of NATO is a Russian objective that will create a power vacuum in Europe, which Russia intends to exploit.
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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:31am  
Another one of Boey's Boy hook and sinker post.

Besides, what would Trump care about the WTO when he would rather eliminate every legal, financial and government restraint on the accumulation of wealth by the capitalist class? Trump can't wait to appeal the 16th amendment while lowering the corporate tax rate for all of his Wall Street buddies. Government regulations will also be gone, as well as Medicaid and transitioning Medicare into a program for subsidizing the purchase of private insurance.

Trump will also gut Social Security and replace any remaining welfare programs with “the dynamic compassion of work requirements." Gone also will be the EPA.

And that's just for starters.
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:42am  
Marla wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:31am:
Trump will also gut Social Security and replace any remaining welfare programs with “the dynamic compassion of work requirements." Gone also will be the EPA.


Does that mean you'll have to hang out holding a cardboard sign at intersections, and sleep under overpasses Marlon?
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:47am  
Appears the threatening little troll is back.
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:05am  
Marla wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:31am:
Another one of Boey's Boy hook and sinker post.

Besides, what would Trump care about the WTO when he would rather eliminate every legal, financial and government restraint on the accumulation of wealth by the capitalist class? Trump can't wait to appeal the 16th amendment while lowering the corporate tax rate for all of his Wall Street buddies. Government regulations will also be gone, as well as Medicaid and transitioning Medicare into a program for subsidizing the purchase of private insurance.

Trump will also gut Social Security and replace any remaining welfare programs with “the dynamic compassion of work requirements." Gone also will be the EPA.

And that's just for starters.



I can't wait.

In order to promote wealth one has to crack a few eggs because there's no such thing as a 'Money Tree'.

Needless to say the US presidency is not an autocratic dictatorship, and there are many checks-and-balances in place to ensure presidential decisions meet with broad approval from the Faceless Men who beaver away behind the scenes.
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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:23am  
Sometimes you just have to rip it all out and start l over because what you've got just ain't working anymore.
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:33am  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:23am:
Sometimes you just have to rip it all out and start l over because what you've got just ain't working anymore.


I wish our God-Niece Marla would do the same with her Political Compass, bogarde. As she approaches Age 30 she's getting a little long-in-the-tooth, but it behooves us not to give up on her. 

Her posting here is a Cry for Help, of course, and we must stand firm with her until she has passed this 'Socialism' fantasy out of her system like a painful kidney stone.
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Reply #8 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:04am  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:23am:
Sometimes you just have to rip it all out and start l over because what you've got just ain't working anymore.

Oh really?

Are you talking about a book you've been trying to write since 1988, or are you actually trying to suggest that empires voluntarily self-disintegrate?
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:11am  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Some take always from recent NBC interview:

- we might quit the WTO, it's a disaster
- this followed a question on his oft-repeated promise, stated again, to slap a 30% import tax on companies that moved manufacturing o/s, like to Mexico or China
- NATO might have to go if members didn't shoulder their fair share of defence costs. This is not 50 years ago, this is now and America isn't the same country.

He isn't joking and his outlook wouldn't be changed, as has been suggested, when he gets Intel briefings.



Yep he is a nutter alright!

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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:22am  
Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:11am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Some take always from recent NBC interview:

- we might quit the WTO, it's a disaster
- this followed a question on his oft-repeated promise, stated again, to slap a 30% import tax on companies that moved manufacturing o/s, like to Mexico or China
- NATO might have to go if members didn't shoulder their fair share of defence costs. This is not 50 years ago, this is now and America isn't the same country.

He isn't joking and his outlook wouldn't be changed, as has been suggested, when he gets Intel briefings.



Yep he is a nutter alright!

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I agree absolutely with everything in that summary.
- the WTO works only for the global trade cheats
- America has poured out its treasure defending Europe for long enough
- doing something about protecting your own country's jobs beats hoping everything will magically get better

You never ever know till you really really try.
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:31am  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:22am:
- America has poured out its treasure defending Europe for long enough

Isn't that exactly what the US intended to do at the start of WW2 (with WW1 in hindsight)? How much more quickly would Germany have been defeated had the US entered the war in 1939?

Only the pathologically stupid could imagine that an imperial state can just withdraw from the world at no cost to its influence or economic prosperity.
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Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:40am  
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:31am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:22am:
- America has poured out its treasure defending Europe for long enough

Isn't that exactly what the US intended to do at the start of WW2 (with WW1 in hindsight)? How much more quickly would Germany have been defeated had the US entered the war in 1939?

Only the pathologically stupid could imagine that an imperial state can just withdraw from the world at no cost to its influence or economic prosperity.


Mr Putin is rubbing his hands together with glee.

Just what we need a massive power vacuum in Europe!

You thought the power vacuum in Iraq started something. You aint seen nothing yet!


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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:41am  
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:31am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:22am:
- America has poured out its treasure defending Europe for long enough

Isn't that exactly what the US intended to do at the start of WW2 (with WW1 in hindsight)? How much more quickly would Germany have been defeated had the US entered the war in 1939?
Only the pathologically stupid could imagine that an imperial state can just withdraw from the world at no cost to its influence or economic prosperity.


Do you know how difficult it was for Roosevelt to even organise virtually clandestine help for Britain at that time because of the overwhelming isolationist sentiment in Congress and the country at large?
If Japan had not been so stupid as to attack Pearl Harbour & the Phillipines, it may have been quite a while longer before the US got involved.
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Reply #14 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:48am  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:41am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:31am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:22am:
- America has poured out its treasure defending Europe for long enough

Isn't that exactly what the US intended to do at the start of WW2 (with WW1 in hindsight)? How much more quickly would Germany have been defeated had the US entered the war in 1939?
Only the pathologically stupid could imagine that an imperial state can just withdraw from the world at no cost to its influence or economic prosperity.


Do you know how difficult it was for Roosevelt to even organise virtually clandestine help for Britain at that time because of the overwhelming isolationist sentiment in Congress and the country at large?
If Japan had not been so stupid as to attack Pearl Harbour & the Phillipines, it may have been quite a while longer before the US got involved.

Exactly!

Was the US and the world not worse off for the US delayed entry into WW2?

How many millions would not have died?

How many cities and nations would have been spared?
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Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:52am  
Exactly what? You're repeating yourself.
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Reply #16 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:12pm  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:52am:
Exactly what? You're repeating yourself.

My point was in the first place that isolationism in the context of the US is the worst possible outcome for the US and the world.

It was hard enough to get the US to re-engage with the world after WW1 as it was without the moronic Trump encouraging isolationism like its a new purchase plan for a condominium.

So... Exactly! It took long enough to re-engage the US and an enormous cost... What kind of simpleton would back an idiot promoting isolationism?
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Reply #17 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:40pm  
This kind of simpleton:
1 agrees with exiting the WTO unless it makes trade a level playing field, which it won't & can't, instead of supporting the cheats and castigating the honest players

2 supports the US getting the FCK out of Europe if the Europeans won't provide even a moderate level of their own defence. There are 500 million of them for crissakes but they are happy just to take & take from the US. Enough already. Are the American people supposed to bankrupt themselves for a lot of fat lazy Germans?

And please, if you want to discuss with me, moderate your abuse.
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Reply #18 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 3:27pm  
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:40pm:
This kind of simpleton:
1 agrees with exiting the WTO unless it makes trade a level playing field, which it won't & can't, instead of supporting the cheats and castigating the honest players

2 supports the US getting the FCK out of Europe if the Europeans won't provide even a moderate level of their own defence. There are 500 million of them for crissakes but they are happy just to take & take from the US. Enough already. Are the American people supposed to bankrupt themselves for a lot of fat lazy Germans?

And please, if you want to discuss with me, moderate your abuse.

Yairs... Of course... Empires don't really get to choose when they get out, not the circumstances and definitely not the consequences of their leaving...

Does exiting Iraq not provide some insight into the problem with imperial exit strategies? Does India and Pakistan after Britain's hasty exit not offer some historical corroboration? How about the sudden disintegration of the Ottoman Empire? Went alright, did it? How about the Austro-Hungarian Empire disintegration? Or the fall of the Kaiser after WW1... etc, etc, etc...

The only true exit strategy possible for an imperial power is collapse... Do you think the US armed services, the 'oligarchical' families of US capitalism and the average 'patriotic Joes' are really going to sanction a US imperial collapse?
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Reply #19 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:28pm  
Without getting into blanket support for Trump, he is right about Islam, and he is right about NATO in that it is defending Europe that continually badmouths the US. If they want to defend themselves against Russia, they are going the right way.
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Reply #20 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:31pm  
issuevoter wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:28pm:
and he is right about NATO in that it is defending Europe that continually badmouths the US.

Try to remember that the US is not a pubescent girl.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 5:28pm:
If they want to defend themselves against Russia, they are going the right way.

Do you really think a showdown with Russia would stop at Europe?
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Reply #21 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 11:52am  
Listen here to Anthony Scaramucci ("Trump's Man on Wall St") interviewed on trade issues & the WTO inter alia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041dlr3

And some further discussion on economic issues in relation to Trump campaign:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041972d
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