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Reply #15 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:17pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Can you explain how the fact that you blame the west for ISIS leads you to conclude that ISIS is unlikely to expand if given the opportunity?

t told you .. I think they'll either sort their sh1t out, or kill each other

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Because you keep going on about what works and what doesn't

Ahh, I see you have comprehension issues.

I merely suggested an alternative to doing the same thing over and over again. An alternative of which the main aim was designed to solve AUSTRALIAS problem. The ME can blow itself to smithereens for all I care.

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

BTW, what did you mean by "get involved" here?

the defense forces have all sorts of ways of getting involved FD.

Oh, FD knows that. Apart from justifying our invasion of Iraq by bringing them Freeedom, FD has also argued Saddam was a threat to our own Freeedom and democracy.

I think FD meant Saddam was slaughtering white Australian babies in the mosques of Iraq.

Allah Uakbar, no?

His excuse was that they were there to install democracy

I guess he forgot to ask if they wanted it or not

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Reply #16 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Can you explain how the fact that you blame the west for ISIS leads you to conclude that ISIS is unlikely to expand if given the opportunity?

t told you .. I think they'll either sort their sh1t out, or kill each other

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Because you keep going on about what works and what doesn't

Ahh, I see you have comprehension issues.

I merely suggested an alternative to doing the same thing over and over again. An alternative of which the main aim was designed to solve AUSTRALIAS problem. The ME can blow itself to smithereens for all I care.

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

BTW, what did you mean by "get involved" here?

the defense forces have all sorts of ways of getting involved FD.

Oh, FD knows that. Apart from justifying our invasion of Iraq by bringing them Freeedom, FD has also argued Saddam was a threat to our own Freeedom and democracy.

I think FD meant Saddam was slaughtering white Australian babies in the mosques of Iraq.

Allah Uakbar, no?

His excuse was that they were there to install democracy

I guess he forgot to ask if they wanted it or not

Of course they don’t. They’re Muslims. They couldn’t give two hoots about democracy. They’re just happy taking away the Freeeeedoms of decent white people everywhere and stopping us talking about carbon taxes and sustainable fishing policies.

No, the simplest solution is to stop every one of them at the airport and ask them questions.

That could work.

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Reply #18 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

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t told you .. I think they'll either sort their sh1t out, or kill each other

Both options could involve ISIS or something similar growing and swallowing the middle east. ISIS is killing plenty of Muslims. What makes you think it is highly unlikely that ISIS would grow?

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I merely suggested an alternative to doing the same thing over and over again.

You did not merely suggest an alternative. You promoted it based on the status quo 'not working'. Sounds like somoene who wants to solve the middle east's problems. Either that or you want some wierd body count experiment. Which is it?

What do you mean by 'not working'?

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An alternative of which the main aim was designed to solve AUSTRALIAS problem.

What problem is that?

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the defense forces have all sorts of ways of getting involved FD

Of course they do. But the latest version of your story was that you actually meant stopping the boats.

So, let's try again - getting involved... closing down the borders... close enough to building a wall around the middle east... What does this mean John?

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Reply #19 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:36pm

rhino wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

[ and sustainable fishing policies.

No, the simplest solution is to stop every one of them at the airport and ask them endless questions.

That could work.

why do that? if they have middle eastern or [pakistani passports we dont grant visas. Simples.

Islam is not a race, Rhino. Your Muslim is cunning this way. They have Muslims in China, India, Amerika, Mother England. Ee-gad, we even have Muslims here. Remember Abu.

Lest we forget.

No, we need to expose each and every one of them as they enter our lands. Do you, Muselman, defend our Freeeedom? Are you a standard bearer? Do you support wishy-washy Westerm morality?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Reply #20 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 11:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Both options could involve ISIS or something similar growing and swallowing the middle east. ISIS is killing plenty of Muslims. What makes you think it is highly unlikely that ISIS would grow?

Isis is there because of western interference. No west in the M.E., No isis.

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

You did not merely suggest an alternative. You promoted it based on the status quo 'not working'

why would anyone suggest an alternative if the status quo was working?

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

What do you mean by 'not working'?

generally means the opposite to 'it's working'.

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

What problem is that?

do you read your own forum?

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Of course they do. But the latest version of your story was that you actually meant stopping the boats.

you asked for how they do it. That's one of many.

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

So, let's try again - getting involved... closing down the borders... close enough to building a wall around the middle east... What does this mean John?

it means you're getting hysterical again

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Reply #21 - Jul 28^th, 2016 at 11:50pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

[ and sustainable fishing policies.

No, the simplest solution is to stop every one of them at the airport and ask them endless questions.

That could work.

why do that? if they have middle eastern or [pakistani passports we dont grant visas. Simples.

Islam is not a race, Rhino. Your Muslim is cunning this way. They have Muslims in China, India, Amerika, Mother England. Ee-gad, we even have Muslims here. Remember Abu.

Lest we forget.

No, we need to expose each and every one of them as they enter our lands. Do you, Muselman, defend our Freeeedom? Are you a standard bearer? Do you support wishy-washy Westerm morality?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Seems to me the Muslims committing the violent extremist acts are from the middle east. Its not rocket science, even for a paki.

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Reply #22 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:02am

rhino wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 11:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:36pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

[ and sustainable fishing policies.

No, the simplest solution is to stop every one of them at the airport and ask them endless questions.

That could work.

why do that? if they have middle eastern or [pakistani passports we dont grant visas. Simples.

Islam is not a race, Rhino. Your Muslim is cunning this way. They have Muslims in China, India, Amerika, Mother England. Ee-gad, we even have Muslims here. Remember Abu.

Lest we forget.

No, we need to expose each and every one of them as they enter our lands. Do you, Muselman, defend our Freeeedom? Are you a standard bearer? Do you support wishy-washy Westerm morality?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Seems to me the Muslims committing the violent extremist acts are from the middle east. Its not rocket science, even for a paki.

And yet, the Sept 11 would-be pilots came from Germany and Mother England, dear. All of the big terrorist acts carried out in Western countries this century were conducted by those born in the West, or those with Western passports.

How many generations would your policy need to take effect? I’m.curious.

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Reply #23 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm

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why would anyone suggest an alternative if the status quo was working?

John you really struggle remembering what we are talking about. Try to keep up. I was not questioning the logic here. I was questioning your claim that you have no interest in the middle east. Clearly, if you keep going on about whether our policies are working, and using that to justify your position, then you cannot also claim that your position is based on not caring about the middle east.

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generally means the opposite to 'it's working'.

For someone who offers their opinion so frequently John, you seem to have put remarkably little thought into this. Would you like to try again?

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do you read your own forum?

Sure. It is full of examples of you running away from your own opinion. Like this example. What problem were you referring to John? And how is it relevant to the middle east?

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you asked for how they do it. That's one of many.

So you support interfering in the middle east? How? And under what circumstances? This is your big chance John to demonstrate that there is more to your blather than chanting hollow mantras.

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it means you're getting hysterical again

It means you have nothing John. No ideas. No thoughts. No argument. Just a few three word mantras you blurt out constantly. Your opinion disappears into thin air the moment anyone tries to look at it.

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Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:50pm

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

John you really struggle remembering what we are talking about.

oh I know exactly what I'm talking about.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

I was questioning your claim that you have no interest in the middle east.

we don't, apart from oil.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Clearly, if you keep going on about whether our policies are working, and using that to justify your position, then you cannot also claim that your position is based on not caring about the middle east.

Oh yes I can

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Would you like to try again?

no, it's a fairly obvious statement that I shouldn't need to explain.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Sure. It is full of examples of you running away from your own opinion.

It's no such thing. . As long as you stick to what I actually said, and not your fantasies about what I said, you'd see I'm fairly consistent.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

So you support interfering in the middle east?

no wonder you struggle so much.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

And under what circumstances?

none

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

This is your big chance John to demonstrate that there is more to your blather than chanting hollow mantras.

What makes you think I'm interested in demonstrating anything to anyone? Besides, I'm waiting for you to lead the way FD. One day you'll actually form an opinion and follow it through.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

It means you have nothing John. No ideas. No thoughts. No argument. Just a few three word mantras you blurt out constantly. Your opinion disappears into thin air the moment anyone tries to look at it.

it's really not a very difficult concept, even for you. I don't understand why you pretend to struggle so much with it. Just stop meddling in the Middle Easts affairs. Very Simple. Your argument that we have to go there and interfere because if we don't they might grow into something we don't like is a load of sh1t. That you have to resort to 1300 yr old wars as justification puts that beyond any doubt.
We've had many middle Eastern nutbags threaten the west before ISIS. We've never had as many problem with the ME as we do now.

Newsflash for you FD .. things have moved on the in the last 1300 yrs or so. Our armies no longer use swords and spears and they now have the ability to wipe out the M.E. altogether without ever having to leave their bases if they had to. The wests problem is that they don't like Islamic ideology and are determined to instill their ideology into the middle east. That's a load of bullsh1t and it's the same thing you complain about them trying to do in the West. Like their ideology or not, it's their country and their decision on how they live.

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Reply #26 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Like their ideology or not, it's their country and their decision on how they live.

Well WTF are they queuing up to cross borders illegally into other countries?

Jeez Jack, keep up!

that might have something to do with all the bombs falling on their heads.

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Reply #27 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 1:31pm

ISIS is just a new name of the same evil that has always existed. Go back through time and there is always some Islamic group causing shlt in the Middle East. This whole 'Blame the west' rubbish is the response of people who know absolutely nothing about the Middle East and the impact Islam has had on it.

Just to spell it out for those who don't have enough time to read at least one history book (yet seem to have no problem living on this forum all day pumping out over 10,000 posts per year), there is always some group of Muslims wanting to rule the Middle East and then conquer the lands around it as their own. At times in the last 1400 years it may get a bit quiet for a decade or two, but inevitably there is another group wanting to purify the land for Allah. Sometimes they rule from a thrown, other times they rule from a cave, but there is always some group of devotees wanting to bring about the perfect Islamic supernation.

Anyone still thinking this is because the west dropped a few bombs in Iraq or dug up some oil 100 years ago is not only fooling themselves, but also making a fool of themselves.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95297 Gender:	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #29 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 4:26pm freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 12:27pm: Your opinion disappears into thin air the moment anyone tries to look at it. Strange. The 2007 FD said exactly the same thing. You should have told him off, FD. Better still, you should have asked him questions.
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