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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95297 Gender:	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #30 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 4:26pm Yadda wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 1:44pm: Yadda said...... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469753639/1#1 Much better. Good work, Y.
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Reply #31 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

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we don't, apart from oil.

So how can you justify your argument by insisting what we do isn't working? Whether it is working implies an interest in the middle east. You cannot claim to understand what is happening there at the same time as insisting you do not care. Not if you want to be consistent, at least.

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Oh yes I can

You have to be interested in the middle east to know whether it is working John.

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As long as you stick to what I actually said

But you don't say anything John. You run away. Or you get all confused if I don't quote the last ten posts in the exchange to keep you up to speed.

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none

If you do not support intervening, why did you suggest we intervene?

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Besides, I'm waiting for you to lead the way FD.

You want me to lead the way on your opinion?

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Just stop meddling in the Middle Easts affairs. Very Simple. Your argument that we have to go there and interfere because if we don't they might grow into something we don't like is a load of sh1t. That you have to resort to 1300 yr old wars as justification puts that beyond any doubt.

I resrt to ISIS to justify this point. That is today John.

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Newsflash for you FD .. things have moved on the in the last 1300 yrs or so. Our armies no longer use swords and spears and they now have the ability to wipe out the M.E. altogether without ever having to leave their bases if they had to. The wests problem is that they don't like Islamic ideology and are determined to instill their ideology into the middle east. That's a load of bullsh1t and it's the same thing you complain about them trying to do in the West.

The difference is that I am right and they are wrong. Freedom and democracy is better than islamic theocracy. I think you'll find plenty of Iraqis agree with me. I bet plenty of Germans are also grateful we interfered with their attempt to have their way with Europe.

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Like their ideology or not, it's their country and their decision on how they live.

It is only their decision if they have democracy John. Surely you understand this much at least.

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that might have something to do with all the bombs falling on their heads

John has it ever occured to you that they might not like ISIS? They might be fleeing ISIS?

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Reply #32 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

John before you run away or escape into your own little bubble of confusion, here are some examples of you suggesting we intervene, but being remarkably reluctant to give any details that involve actual intervention. Why is that? Did you forget saying these things?

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

So what happens when ISIS or something similar swallows the middle east and keeps expanding?

I think that is very unlikely, but so as to amuse you I'll play along .... then we get involved

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

And what are you going to do about the millions of refugees and terrorists streaming out of the middle east ahead of the advancing Caliphate? Build a wall?

close down the borders.

John Smith wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

So your grand scheme is to build a wall around the middle east and let the carnage begin?

not quite, but close enough for the purposes of this discussion
freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

Would you consider it a form of interference to slaughter all the Arabs trying to get past it?

no

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

BTW, what did you mean by "get involved" here?

the defense forces have all sorts of ways of getting involved FD.

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Of course they do. But the latest version of your story was that you actually meant stopping the boats.

you asked for how they do it. That's one of many.

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Reply #33 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 8:45pm

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Why is that? Did you forget saying these things?

You're not doing real well at this, are you? I know what I said. I thought it was rather obvious but for some reason you seem to struggle. We intervene only if our borders are threatened, and with everything at our disposal if we have to. Until then, its none of our business and we should stay out of the ME.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #34 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 9:44pm So we wait until after Europe, America, Asia and Africa have fallen, then we decide to pull our finger out? Great strategy there John. Any other bright ideas?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #35 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:15pm freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 9:44pm: So we wait until after Europe, America, Asia and Africa have fallen, then we decide to pull our finger out? Great strategy there John. Any other bright ideas? Yes, take a valium
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #36 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:19pm So what about New Zealand. Would you ask them to help us out, or would you tell them to take a valium and wait for a knock on the door?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #37 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:33pm freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:19pm: So what about New Zealand. Would you ask them to help us out, or would you tell them to take a valium and wait for a knock on the door? valium
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #38 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:44pm And what about Tonga? Would you prescribe valium for them also while they watched Australia then New Zealand fall?
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Reply #39 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

And what about Tonga? Would you prescribe valium for them also while they watched Australia then New Zealand fall?

Valium FD ... anyone who thinks Isis will defeat the Europe, America, Asia and Africa should stock up on Valium ... and lots of it. It doesn't matter if they come from NZ , Tonga, the Galapagos Islands and anywhere in between.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #40 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:54pm Have you ever considered a career in military strategy?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #41 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 11:01pm freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:54pm: Have you ever considered a career in military strategy? do you think I should?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #42 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 11:19pm Were you lying about what you would propose for Australia, NZ and Tonga because you think the scenario would never happen?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103122 Melbourne Gender:	Re: a death wall around the middle east... Reply #43 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 11:31pm I recommend carpet bombing of Raqqa. Totally destroy the whole city & everything within 100 miles of it. Teach these ISIS freaks a lesson as to what 1st world countries with their advanced military complex is capable of doing. It can all be done with air power & without using nuclear weapons.
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Reply #44 - Jul 29^th, 2016 at 11:53pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2016 at 10:44pm:

And what about Tonga? Would you prescribe valium for them also while they watched Australia then New Zealand fall?

Valium FD ... anyone who thinks Isis will defeat the Europe, America, Asia and Africa should stock up on Valium ... and lots of it. It doesn't matter if they come from NZ , Tonga, the Galapagos Islands and anywhere in between.

John, seriously, can you give me any reasons why they won't defeat us?..our society is slowly being eroded by people like yourself whom seem to believe it can't be eroded so therefore "let's have a bit of fun eh!"..don't you get it?..it certainly can be destroyed because it is built on trust?...once the tritors have destroyed that trust then what society I wonder do they propose to live in?..I suggest there won't be one...

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