No luck so far getting a straight answer out of John on what he means by this. Apparently he is constantly misunderstood. Now is your time to give your version of your diabolical plan for a caged rape and pillage festival in the middle east John.
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:12pm:
And what are you going to do about the millions of refugees and terrorists streaming out of the middle east ahead of the advancing Caliphate? Build a wall?
close down the borders.
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:29pm:
So your grand scheme is to build a wall around the middle east and let the carnage begin?
not quite, but close enough for the purposes of this discussion
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:29pm:
Would you consider it a form of interference to slaughter all the Arabs trying to get past it?
no
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:31pm:
not quite, but close enough for the purposes of this discussion
How is it different? Do you propose machine gun turrets and no walls to give them a fighting chance?
one is my argument, that we defend our borders if and when it comes to that, the other is some fantasy you've concocted
John Smith wrote on Jul 27
th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 27
th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
Our borders are not in the middle east John.
then you have no reason to be there.
John Smith wrote on Jul 27
th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 27
th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
What exactly is this plan of yours that is "close enough" to building a wall around the middle east and slaughtering Muslims who try to escape?
it's really not such a difficult concept is it? The west stay out of the middle east. Is it really that difficult for you?
John, can you explain how building a wall around the middle east and slaughtering any Muslims that try to escape counts as 'not meddling in their affairs'? If someone built a wall around Australia and killed anyone trying to get in or out, would you consider that to be interference in our affairs?
Apparently it is unlikely for ISIS to take over the middle east because the west is to blame.
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:32pm:
Quote:I think that is very unlikely, but so as to amuse you I'll play along .... then we get involved
Why is it unlikely? The whole reason we, the Americans, the Russians, the UK etc are getting dragged back into this is because neither Assad nor Iraq are capable of handling ISIS on their own.
Would you consider the rise of ISIS as a justification to get involved?
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:34pm:
Why is it unlikely? The whole reason we, the Americans, the Russians, the UK etc are getting dragged back into this is because neither Assad nor Iraq are capable of handling ISIS on their own.
Back to top (FD> .... for some reason this comment doesn't appear when I quote you working now )
Isis is a result of western involvement
So because you blame the west for Muslims raping and pillaging, you want us to stand back and watch them rape and pillage, but if it was their own fault for raping and pillaging, you would want to go in and rescue them? And then presumably blame the west for the cluster bugger it turns into and demand we allow them to start raping and pillaging again?
We have also apparently been trying to establish democracy in the middle east for over a century, and it is time to try something else, like genocide.
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 10:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 26
th, 2016 at 9:12pm:
There are far greater levels of failure that you are striving for
says the guy who thinks burying our head in the sand and continuing to do the same thing we've done for the last 100 yrs will suddenly wield a different result simply because he wishes it so
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Can you give some examples of us doing the "same thing" as setting up democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Do you always create your own argument then argue against ?
John Smith wrote on Jul 27
th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 27
th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
You said the West was doing the same thing it has been doing for the last 100 years. This is clearly not the case.
So you agree that I said nothing about setting up democracies
and yes, it is the case. The West has been sticking it's nose in middle eastern affairs for well over 100 yrs.
John, do you think setting up democracies really counts as "doing the same thing"? Are caging vs any sort of interference the only two options you can conceive?
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