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Reply #15 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 4:21pm
 
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
I love the way atheists claim stats without proof, then make more claims out of context... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Soooo  where are all the New Testament teachings of Christ that urge fighting and war in the name of God...  hmmmmm? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.
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Reply #16 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
I love the way atheists claim stats without proof, then make more claims out of context... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Soooo  where are all the New Testament teachings of Christ that urge fighting and war in the name of God...  hmmmmm? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

The Old Testament is not the New Testament Gweggy....  The Old Testament is the "Jewish Bible" it contains a Jewish Religious History.  Would you like to try again? Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #17 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 6:03pm
 
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
I love the way atheists claim stats without proof, then make more claims out of context... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Soooo  where are all the New Testament teachings of Christ that urge fighting and war in the name of God...  hmmmmm? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

The Old Testament is not the New Testament Gweggy....  The Old Testament is the "Jewish Bible" it contains a Jewish Religious History.  Would you like to try again? Grin Grin Grin
Pecca just got owned, (again) Muslims also beleive in parts of the Bible including the Old testament.
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Muslims believe The Qur'an, which they hold to be a revelation to the Islamic prophet Muhammad, was given as a remedy and that it identifies three sets of books from the Bible as genuine divine revelation given to trusted messengers: the Tawrat (Torah) given to Musa (Moses), the Zabur (Psalms) given to Daud (David) and the Injil (Gospel) given to Isa (Jesus). They believe that, together, the Qur'an, these books, and the Suhuf Ibrahim ("Scrolls of Abraham", which they believe is currently lost) constitute Islam's scripture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Christian_Bible
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Reply #18 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Grendel wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
I love the way atheists claim stats without proof, then make more claims out of context... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Soooo  where are all the New Testament teachings of Christ that urge fighting and war in the name of God...  hmmmmm? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

LOL....  in whose opinion Gweggy?
In what context Gweggy?
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Reply #19 - Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:07pm
 
Well hell I mean how in the world can you beat some anti Christian nutcase, who has come up with some crap about the Bible being really angry, so it must be worse that the old moon god allahs' commands to hate torture and kill.

Then again the nutcase in question may be on to something and he doesn't know it.

muzzies don't get angry when they commit the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man, they morph into a blood crazed euphoria as they gleefully slaughter people around the globe, who they perceive to be the enemies of allah.

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Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:48am
 
moses wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Well hell I mean how in the world can you beat some anti Christian nutcase, who has come up with some crap about the Bible being really angry, so it must be worse that the old moon god allahs' commands to hate torture and kill.


Because Genesis, Deuteronomy and Leviticus contain far more commands to torture and kill, silly. You know that. You keep apologizing for it.

Prophet Yeheshua. AKA Jesus the Christ: "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:48am:
moses wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Well hell I mean how in the world can you beat some anti Christian nutcase, who has come up with some crap about the Bible being really angry, so it must be worse that the old moon god allahs' commands to hate torture and kill.


Because Genesis, Deuteronomy and Leviticus contain far more commands to torture and kill, silly. You know that. You keep apologizing for it.

Prophet Yeheshua. AKA Jesus the Christ: "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."



And so you hear Christians stabbing Muslims every day, all over the world, shouting those verses.

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Reply #22 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:27pm
 
LOL Karnal is a wanker, Jesus fulfilled the law by dying for all our sins and conquering death.  Oh dear atheists and Muslims should not quote things they are ignorant of.
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Reply #23 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:57pm
 
Karnal wrote Reply #20 - Today at 12:48am Quote:
Prophet Yeheshua. AKA Jesus the Christ: "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."


There's a bit more to the story than that (if you want to be honest).

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

fulfill to bring to a successful conclusion


Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

a clear cut time frame was established


John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Jesus acknowledging his time on earth was up, He has finished his work (finalizing / fulfilling the ancient law)


John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The last words Jesus ever spoke on earth "It is finished". The law was finished.


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Confirmation that the law was superseded by faith in Christ


Jump forward to today 2017, we have muslims and their apologists bending over backwards trying to equate Christianity as being as evil as islam.

Why?

Well we all know the answer, don't we?

islam is irrefutably and inextricably linked to human rights atrocities being a core part of their doctrine.

They cannot reject the depraved teachings as being outdated and irrelevant, they stupidly believe islamic degeneracy is infallible and can never be changed, any alteration of doctrine would destroy islam.

So rather than be honest about this perversion, muslims and their apologists prefer the bloodshed death and destruction, (all the while deliberately lying trying to whitewash islam and paint Christianity as being doctrinally as bad as islam)
 
Oh well them's the breaks, however you're losing the battle, as the world is definitely turning against muslims and their apologists.

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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:42pm
 
Thanks for being honest, Moses. Have you read Matthew 5.19?

You might want to give it a squiz before we examine 5.17 in context.
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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 10:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
Thanks for being honest, Moses. Have you read Matthew 5.19?

You might want to give it a squiz before we examine 5.17 in context.

Wassup Karnal....  cant face the truth....  how long you going to keep the denial and idiocy up? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #26 - May 1st, 2017 at 6:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
I believe FD thinks he's proved something.

Just what, I don't know.


The promotion of violence is a core message of Islam. There are entire chapters of the Koran devoted to it.

freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
moses wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 11:05am:
To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?



"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.


freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:37am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:30am:
Frank wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 7:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 9:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.


The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.




Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)?  On the Koran?




I'll post FD's incorrect statement once again, just so you can see where you went so terribly wrong.

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Your task now, is to point out where he said anything about "acts on".

Over to you, old boy ...



Actually he is spot on: it is his perception ("I think") and he says 'to the extent' which is an indication of, you know, extent.

And you know what proves him right? The extent of religiously motivated violence by Muslims. Nobody comes even close.



You really should concentrate harder.

Here it is again, for all the slow learners at the back of the class:

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does" (nothing about "acts on").

And, he's wrong.

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

However, as an Islamophobe, you refuse to accept these facts.

It's alright, though - I understand.

Islamophobia rots the brain.


This should be interesting. Can you give an example of a "catholic text" that promotes violence more than chapter 9 of the Koran?


Greg would you like to retract any of these claims?
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Reply #27 - May 28th, 2017 at 11:32am
 
Karnal wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:42am:
moses wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 10:14am:
Aussie wrote; Reply #35 - Yesterday at 6:30pm

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Do they follow the OT, Moses?


In what way?

Are you referring to ancient text which tells of a barbaric society some 4000 years ago?

It appears to me that the Jews have progressed with the times, we know they have contributed much to mankind, they are a

successful peaceful nation surrounded by a barbaric mass of muslims. That's about as much as I can tell you about them.


They have indeed, Moses. And yet they follow a book far more violent and sinister than the Muselman.

What does this tell you?


Karnal is referring to Jews here.

Is there anything that calls Jews to violence to the extent that chapter 9 of the Koran calls Muslims to violence?
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Reply #28 - May 28th, 2017 at 12:33pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:48am:
moses wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Well hell I mean how in the world can you beat some anti Christian nutcase, who has come up with some crap about the Bible being really angry, so it must be worse that the old moon god allahs' commands to hate torture and kill.


Because Genesis, Deuteronomy and Leviticus contain far more commands to torture and kill, silly. You know that. You keep apologizing for it.

Prophet Yeheshua. AKA Jesus the Christ: "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."

Relevance?

Nobody is blown up by men shouting "Matthew 5.19" or "Matthew 5.17".

Allahu akhbaring, on the other hand, is the last thing victims of terrorism hear.



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Reply #29 - May 28th, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 30th, 2017 at 12:48am:
moses wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Well hell I mean how in the world can you beat some anti Christian nutcase, who has come up with some crap about the Bible being really angry, so it must be worse that the old moon god allahs' commands to hate torture and kill.


Because Genesis, Deuteronomy and Leviticus contain far more commands to torture and kill, silly. You know that. You keep apologizing for it.

Prophet Yeheshua. AKA Jesus the Christ: "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."

Oh now you really are showing your religious ignorance and what dishonest depths you will stoop to to back up your ridicuous beliefs. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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