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Abuse....'Personal Criticism'
Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:09pm

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Is this abuse/personal criticism within the Rules, or not? It does not matter who the poster is or who it was directed at.

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...you can be one-eyed, vacuous and vicious..

Here is the Rule:

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Personal criticism

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

Do not post personal criticism of other members.

Seems very clear to me.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:10pm Poll added.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75258 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:13pm great editing there now why not put the full quote so as to put it in context?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:15pm John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:13pm: great editing there now why not put the full quote so as to put it in context? Completely unnecessary. Those were the specific words directed at a Poster. They stand by themselves.
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Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

great editing there Cheesy

now why not put the full quote so as to put it in context?

Completely unnecessary. Those were the specific words directed at a Poster. They stand by themselves.

bullsh1t ... you're just being your typical disingenuous self.

(is that abuse too? Shocked

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Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:19pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

great editing there Cheesy

now why not put the full quote so as to put it in context?

Completely unnecessary. Those were the specific words directed at a Poster. They stand by themselves.

bullsh1t ... you're just being your typical disingenuous self.

(is that abuse too? Shocked

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Is the question in the OP too difficult for you?

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Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:19pm

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Personal criticism

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

OzPol has it back to front. It's the obsessive baiting that needs to be reined in here, not the occasional baits/digs but the persistent and repetitive baiting. Punishing people for retaliation when they are repeatedly being trolled is an odd way to run a forum.

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Reply #7 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:20pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

great editing there Cheesy

now why not put the full quote so as to put it in context?

Completely unnecessary. Those were the specific words directed at a Poster. They stand by themselves.

bullsh1t ... you're just being your typical disingenuous self.

(is that abuse too? Shocked

)

Is the question in the OP too difficult for you?

already answered in the relevant thread .....

now why are you afraid of putting up the whole quote in context?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #8 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:23pm Because I want to know if those specific words breach the Rule. Why do you struggle with that simple concept?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75258 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #9 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:27pm Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:23pm: Because I want to know if those specific words breach the Rule. Why do you struggle with that simple concept? words? the rules don't apply to words, they apply to 'personal criticism' of which context forms a major part in identifying it.
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Reply #10 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:31pm

I think you may as well shut the forum down if we cant criticise other posters,

whether the recipient takes offence is up to them.

It is a lot like the proposal to water down 18C racial discrimination act, the argument there being that we should have freedom of speech to say what we like and whether people take offence is entirely up to them.

As this forum supposedly supports freedom of speech and we see constant vilification of Muslims, Jews and Christians and most seem to say nothing about that, what is the big deal about a bit of personal criticism.

If it offends you PM a Gmod and let them make a decision.

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Reply #11 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:38pm

As a general philosophical position I prefer less intervention not more. I would opt for modding only in circumstances where something is actually illegal to a degree that would put the forums existence at risk.

As for abuse and criticism it is hard to codify without rendering a forum lifeless to a degree that posters will go elsewhere, over enthusiastic modding will kill a forum dead. It becomes an echo chamber of favoured opinion to such a degree that even the favoured get bored and move on.

In a forum that debates political opinion accusations of stupidity, of being morons, etc should be water off a ducks back for those that participate in a forum where points are made and defended and attacked.

(PS, some clowns need to check what an ad hominem rebuttal is, cos all they do is make themselves look stupid when using it)

Having said that, there are some pretty disgusting practices on this forum which I have not seen tolerated on any other forum, in particular consistent insinuations of pedophelia and homosexuality if not out right accusations of homosexuality. In my opinion such insinuations should not go unpunished, they are well out of scope of adding some insulting spice to a rebuttal to an argument.

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Reply #12 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:54pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

I think you may as well shut the forum down

if we cant criticise other posters,

whether the recipient takes offence is up to them.

It is a lot like the proposal to water down 18C racial discrimination act, the argument there being that we should have freedom of speech to say what we like and whether people take offence is entirely up to them.

As this forum supposedly supports freedom of speech and we see constant vilification of Muslims, Jews and Christians and most seem to say nothing about that, what is the big deal about a bit of personal criticism.

If it offends you PM a Gmod and let them make a decision.

You are entirely free to be as critical as you like, in the most colourful terms you like, of what a Member has posted. There is zero need to then add criticism of

the Poster

. Huge difference.

The Rule is quite clear. Do not post personal criticism of another Poster.

As BO may be implying, get rid of the Rule if it is to be completely ignored.

I'd be quite happy with that, as I am well equipped to hand it out with the best of them. However, there is a balance to be had, as a 'free for all' will deliver another dead Forum like elsewhere.

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Reply #13 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 1:24pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

However, there is a balance to be had, as a 'free for all' will deliver another dead Forum like elsewhere.

I think quite the opposite!

The reason this forum survives is because it it not operated like a bloody nannie state with nit picky rules being applied all the time!

"All play nice or you will be banned!"

No leave well enough alone!

Let the offended complain to a Gmod if they are offended!

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Reply #14 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 1:47pm

Black Orchid wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

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Personal criticism

Do not post personal criticism of other members. Do not respond to personal criticism of yourself or other members. This is the biggest problem on OzPolitic. Too many members are easily baited into off-topic personal exchanges. If you participate in any kind of flame war you will be suspended, regardless of who started it or who you think ‘deserved it’.

OzPol has it back to front. It's the obsessive baiting that needs to be reined in here, not the occasional baits/digs but the persistent and repetitive baiting. Punishing people for retaliation when they are repeatedly being trolled is an odd way to run a forum.

I am baiting by defending myself... go figure...

here is the full quote

really Cods, you just can't help yourself can you?.

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I agree FD is mostly absent, and has his own agenda, but you need to understand that people don't like being lumped into some generalised target.. you know Lefties and righties? Libs and Labor... I have more important issues in life than pollie BS.

I have at times found your posts offensive and indefensible, in many instances.. you can be one-eyed, vacuous and vicious, and this shows in your posts.
So blame yourself if you get suspended for it. Take responsibility for what you post, and stop thinking you are a victim of unfairness.

I am told that that is just an OPINION and not abuse

....Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

You are entirely free to be as critical as you like, in the most colourful terms you like, of what a Member has posted. There is zero need to then add criticism of the Poster. Huge difference.

The Rule is quite clear. Do not post personal criticism of another Poster.

As BO may be implying, get rid of the Rule if it is to be completely ignored.

I'd be quite happy with that, as I am well equipped to hand it out with the best of them. However, there is a balance to be had, as a 'free for all' will deliver another dead Forum like elsewhere.

it is hard to follow and I am not talking about the rules... as we all make mistakes or interpret things differently I accept that....

however I am being lambasted in public... I have had it spelt out I am the worst ABUSER... and or person with an OPINION depending on your interpretaion of the rules....

on the one had.. those comments were abuse on the other just an OPINION>...

its mainly for future reference.....just in case I slip up...

when it comes to abuse I am the worst.. who knows I may be the best at NOICE.....at least I can try,.

lets make a request

that we at least be shown the post... or told why we are being banned.......if they are right and claim we deserve it... then show us so we do not do it again.....

if someone explains to me how I have hurt them or insulted them... then at least I can apologise...if I believe they are correct... I did try that with someone.. but to no avail.....I do not know how anyone can undo what they have done on the forum......

an apology isnt enough and in my case a banning wasnt enough....

maybe I help to make FDs membership look good to advertisers I dont know... but why hasnt he banned me permanently if I am that bad.....

just tell us what we do wrong so we can fix it...I steer clear of people but that according to emma isnt enough...

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It is a Rule breach 1 (12.5%) It is not a Rule breach 7 (87.5%) Total votes: 8 « Created by: Aussie on: Aug 9^th, 2016 at 12:10pm »