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Reply #45 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 10:55pm

That would be three posts Aussie, one in answer to Cods, the second to clarify that post and the third to get a response from you.

And you replied. Success all round as I see it.

Of course your reply is gratifying as you say you have learned a lesson. BUT .. you maintain your position, as I would expect of you.
As I do mine. Criticism is NOT abuse, unless unwarranted, unfair or lacking in merit. I repeat.. that the 'intent' of the Rule is to prevent ABUSIVE behaviour... not critical comment. Else we wouldn't have a forum would we.?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #46 - Aug 9^th, 2016 at 11:20pm Quote: Criticism is NOT abuse, unless unwarranted, unfair or lacking in merit. I repeat.. that the 'intent' of the Rule is to prevent ABUSIVE behaviour... not critical comment. Else we wouldn't have a forum would we.? Tell freediver. The Rule refers to...........drum roll.........criticism.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #47 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:01am So Aussie.... drum roll... YOU have never criticised any poster.? ' Cos if you have YOU have breached the RULE. Give us a break.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #48 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:36am Emma wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:01am: So Aussie.... drum roll... YOU have never criticised any poster.? ' Cos if you have YOU have breached the RULE. Give us a break. I reckon I haven't, since I got a ban once. After that, I was careful to make sure I criticised posts or conduct, not the Poster.
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Reply #49 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:54am

well good for you Aussie. You can feel happy about that.

You learned a lesson, it would seem.

I did wonder why you made a point of saying no names were mentioned. Now I know.

But in this case ... we had a poster who was bitterly complaining about being called the 'worst abuser' on the forum, and saying the Mods ignored the complaints made by that same poster..

I was just trying to enlighten the person to the implications of their behaviour. The possible reasons I saw for the position taken by Mods. In my own opinion. A fair criticism IMO.

As such I don't consider my post was abusive. But I agree that we can disagree, with no negative result.

Each of us has an opinion, and that is where we end up YEAH? Neither right nor wrong.

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Reply #50 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 6:34am

Emma wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:54am:

well good for you Aussie. You can feel happy about that.

You learned a lesson, it would seem.

I did wonder why you made a point of saying no names were mentioned. Now I know.

But in this case ... we had a poster who was bitterly complaining about being called the 'worst abuser' on the forum, and saying the Mods ignored the complaints made by that same poster..

I was just trying to enlighten the person to the implications of their behaviour. The possible reasons I saw for the position taken by Mods. In my own opinion. A fair criticism IMO.

As such I don't consider my post was abusive. But I agree that we can disagree, with no negative result.

Each of us has an opinion, and that is where we end up YEAH? Neither right nor wrong.

absolutely I dont mind you mentioning my name I am not that touchy....not everyone follows these threads.. and I wouldnt want anyone else getting the "credit"..

I just think this is all a bit weird.. and hopefully fd will have the answer that will satisfy everyone...

aussie is a huge stickler for everything being correct and present...one of his quirks.....but in the long run he is correct as well... but then arent we all...

I would like to correct a misconception about me and the words "worst abuser"... those words were thrown at me on more than one occasion on different threads...when speaking on polsux... I have always been led to believe its NO HOLDS BARRED.... Roll Eyes

maybe that another that needs sorting out..

anyway it does tend to get aggressive...as one would expect and yes I have been guilt of claiming lefties must enjoy seeing people drown when they blame libs for all the ills of this country.....and when they claim the pinkbatts was a raging success I remind them of 4 young men that died...

sadly all those people dying IS FACT... I am not making it up...and yes it did all happen on Labors watch....

and yes I did say some thing about the drownings to a poster who objected...I was banned and when I returned I apologised.. it was not enough for this poster....to my knowledge ...I have not mentioned those instances again to anyone..[link if I am wrong].

I have not spoken directly to the person since I reported him for abuse....and I have no intentions of spoiling his time on here so I will not be speaking to him.. I am happy with that...

however I was not happy with the fact that not only did he tell FD when he applied for the gmod position...that he had trouble with me... and he explained all the agro he had with with me... he also posted it on the forum for everyone to read......how I am in his opinion the worst abuser on here...

emma as far as I know I have had one run in with this gmod...ONE....yet he has told everyone he has huge problems with me...BEING THE WORST ABUSER..

as I am accused!

is the reason I posted the question to the mods about your post......

just what is personal abuse....and when is it personal...when I the receiver or when the gmod decides.... Roll Eyes

?????????..

I still dont know.. Grin

btw you asked if I had learnt anything from your criticism.....of course.....I never thought of myself as being vicious....really not the way I am... but its how its perceived isnt it?.. so yes I have taken it all on board....

I neither use the words shortarse....or drownings or roof cavities anymore.....at least give me a break I am trying....

but I wont forget being called the worst abuser...

I have also been told I was a sh.t stirrer when I was on feedback...the reason I am banned from there...

not a good week for cods..

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Reply #51 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 9:12am

Redmond Neck wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Mr Hicks has posted, many times, that a PM explaining any Ban is sent to the Member.

I was actually referring to complaint handling rather than a banning, yes an explanation to the perp should follow a banning

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I look at it from the perspective of developing consistency. Members ought to have a gauge they can measure against. "I see Fred got kicked in the nuts for saying.....blah blah blah.......so I better not tempt fate."

If Harry got a ban for saying 'Boo', and Anne, who also said 'Boo,' not not get disciplined, then we have identified a clear problem with consistency.

Again I was referring to handling a complaint.

If a Gmod had to give an explanation every time he made a decision , he would be driven mad by by nitpicking types like yourself Aussie, saying you said this three months ago, and something else some other time.

So no correspondence will be entered into would be my approach.

KISS principle again.

Just a bit of an additional comment on this Aussie.

I am not suggesting a Gmod should never correspond with the complainer about the complaint.

I am sure a reply such as "I will follow that up with xxxx" or "Thanks for that cod" or similar is reasonable.

I just dont this he should have to go into details of how he handles complaints with other than Gmods or freediver.

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Reply #52 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:20am

Emma wrote on Aug 9^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Hmmmmmm .. having re-read my post it seems like I have taken two positions on the 'personal ' aspect.
In the first case I believe that there is a larger aspect to freedom of speech. I mean that the concept of freedom of speech is greater than the individual. It isn't down to what makes one person feel good, and the other feel bad, but the over-arching principle.
When you replied with your post, saying I can use your name .. that brings it down to the personal level, so I respond in kind.

On a personal level it does become about individuals.. on the larger stage it is about ethical principles.

I am all for FOS....its paramount to any system...and for goodness sakes we are not children....

we should be able to say to each other thats not nice I prefer you didnt speak to me like that..

instead we are encouraged to report everything to the head monitor.....

maybe the word POLITE needs to come into it somehow....just a thought...

I havent reported anyone for a while and when I have done so its usually to fd..

red we were told by fd when the ban is over we can ask for the reason...

for most of us... we know the reason,......but sometimes it escapes us...

if you are going to be annoying or childish and argue like aussie can do...well dont expect to get an answer....

I dont think I annoy the gmods... [with PMs].but if I did I would expect them to PM me and not announce it on the threads.........thats why I say my piece in the open as I know there are annoying people on here... and they would drive me bonkers.....I have a feeling thats one of the reasons percy gave it away...nagging..

so come on members dont bicker about rubbish and make gmods lives miserable all because someone doesnt see your point of view.......or you are nit picking about the wording of rules....

accept the position...and stop twisting it..

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Abuse....'Personal Criticism' Reply #53 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:38am Ya see, cods, this is where you come to grief. Quote: if you are going to be annoying or childish and argue like aussie can do... (a) There was zero point in bringing my name into your Post. (b) You have no idea what I say in PM exchanges with GMods, and so, you just proceed to make it up.
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Reply #54 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:56am

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Ya see, cods, this is where you come to grief.

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if you are going to be annoying or childish and argue like aussie can do...

(a) There was zero point in bringing my name into your Post.

(b) You have no idea what I say in PM exchanges with GMods, and so, you just proceed to make it up.

true only whats been said on here and you yourself have said you are blocked.....from PM.. so it speaks for itself... well to me it does..

I do not PM the mods......simple as that....only when I report someone....

thats the whole point......honestly aussie you do go on .asking the same question over and over...

you practically demand answers..... were you banned from Pm to percy??....I mean if I start a thread.. no one has to read it or answer it..

but PMs are a bit different.. well I think so...

I ,am just thinking if there is less nit picking maybe we would get a few answers.....which will make a lot of people happy.....thats all..

you dont agree you can nag aussie?????

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Reply #55 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:03pm

cods wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Ya see, cods, this is where you come to grief.

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if you are going to be annoying or childish and argue like aussie can do...

(a) There was zero point in bringing my name into your Post.

(b) You have no idea what I say in PM exchanges with GMods, and so, you just proceed to make it up.

true only whats been said on here and you yourself have said you are blocked.....from PM.. so it speaks for itself... well to me it does..

I do not PM the mods......simple as that....only when I report someone....

thats the whole point......honestly aussie you do go on .asking the same question over and over...

you practically demand answers..... were you banned from Pm to percy??....I mean if I start a thread.. no one has to read it or answer it..

but PMs are a bit different.. well I think so...

I ,am just thinking if there is less nit picking maybe we would get a few answers.....which will make a lot of people happy.....thats all..

you dont agree you can nag aussie?????

I was not the only person P_N blocked, Herbert also, for example. There were others who also complained about it. I have no idea why he did that, but I did then make the relevant comment that he can hardly do his job if Members are unable to send him a PM.

cods, I'm not going to debate what is obvious. You did not need to bring my name into your post. Doing so was only ever going to have one outcome. This. ^^^^^^

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Reply #56 - Aug 10^th, 2016 at 1:59pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

cods wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:56am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Ya see, cods, this is where you come to grief.

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if you are going to be annoying or childish and argue like aussie can do...

(a) There was zero point in bringing my name into your Post.

(b) You have no idea what I say in PM exchanges with GMods, and so, you just proceed to make it up.

true only whats been said on here and you yourself have said you are blocked.....from PM.. so it speaks for itself... well to me it does..

I do not PM the mods......simple as that....only when I report someone....

thats the whole point......honestly aussie you do go on .asking the same question over and over...

you practically demand answers..... were you banned from Pm to percy??....I mean if I start a thread.. no one has to read it or answer it..

but PMs are a bit different.. well I think so...

I ,am just thinking if there is less nit picking maybe we would get a few answers.....which will make a lot of people happy.....thats all..

you dont agree you can nag aussie?????

I was not the only person P_N blocked, Herbert also, for example. There were others who also complained about it. I have no idea why he did that, but I did then make the relevant comment that he can hardly do his job if Members are unable to send him a PM.

cods, I'm not going to debate what is obvious. You did not need to bring my name into your post. Doing so was only ever going to have one outcome. This. ^^^^^^

oh i realised that!! Roll Eyes

what was I thinking?

I will be honest I do not know what ^^^^^^^^ means...

but its neither here nor there... you were the only person I saw claiming you had been blocked from PMs..I knew it would get this response you do it all the time.. always excuses.. or blaming someone else...

all I know is...you nag.. you have nagged me on PMs..you probably dont think you have... but yes you have..

I have never had a PM from herb...am I lucky I will ask perc next time hes on..

in the mean time stop telling me you are not a person who pushes buttons...because you are....

I didnt say that was bad I just said if members who nit pick didnt annoy the mods..so much maybe we would get some answers...thats all...

have a look at some of your posts aussie on this thread just for example.. you will never ever let the other person win an argument....you are right no matter what....and if they insists thats when you get a wee bit personal..

you started this thread aussie...and when someone replies you want to dismiss it as ..

who the hell do you think you are type of thing....

and no not everyone is agreeing with you..in the same way you wish them too...

.and guess what sometimes they do have a point... if we could all agree on one simple thing maybe we would get taken seriously instead of dismissed..

as it is this is now another aussie thread...

btw I got the impression percy wasnt well and had a few personal problems....and lots of whinging would have worn him down...thats all.

he or any mod shouldnt have to ask to be left alone.. this isnt a matter of life and death... YET.

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