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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18065 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #105 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:06pm: First: you wouldn't be able to enter the country. I'm not sure if you've ever been to an international airport, but you don't just walk off the plane and then out into the street. So an international airport is not sovereign territory?
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Reply #106 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia.
Now, one must ask why they would do this?

And one should listen to the reasons.

"Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution.

"They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan
and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government
or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured
and killed.

"If they are caught before they can get away
or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers,
they will be returned and handed over to their government.

"Having tried to
flee, the asylum seeker is
viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment.

"For these reasons, asylum seekers often move
without identity documents so if they are caught,
there is a chance they can still get away.

"Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble."

Reason 1

Some also come from Pakistan and want to live in Australia because its much more nicer.

Yep.

We're talking about asylum seekers here, though.

That's why I don't like boat arrivals.
I want the asylum seekers to be selected from the most needy and vulnerable.

If you want only yellow M&Ms the best way is to get a bag of yellow M&Ms. If you get a normal bag you have to spend all that time and effort sorting thru them, sifting out the yellow ones and working out what to do with the other ones.

We should ONLY accept refugees from UN camps close to their source countries.

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Reply #107 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:30pm

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

Anyone can claim asylum yes?
Actually NO

Actually, it's "YES".

Anybody, at any time, can claim asylum.

However, they need to convince the authorities that they are a refugee.

You, like many others in here, don't understand the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker.

It's perfectly legal to claim asylum.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #108 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away.
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Reply #109 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

And why can you not enter the country?
Because its ILLEGAL.

Not if you're claiming asylum.

Please read the post in full.

Simply claiming Asylum does not preclude you from proving it.

If you cannot prove it, you are entering the country ILLEGALLY.

What in that statement (apart from your reluctance to see logic) does not make sense?

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Reply #111 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:33pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

All Some toss their passports overboard before they get to Australia.
Now, one must ask why they would do this?

And one should listen to the reasons.

"Asylum seekers arriving by boat are fleeing persecution.

"They come from countries like Iran, Afghanistan
and Sri Lanka where opponents of the government
or ethnic minorities are routinely arrested, tortured
and killed.

"If they are caught before they can get away
or in a country that does not accept asylum seekers,
they will be returned and handed over to their government.

"Having tried to
flee, the asylum seeker is
viewed as a traitor as well as an opponent of the government and could be subjected to even worse treatment.

"For these reasons, asylum seekers often move
without identity documents so if they are caught,
there is a chance they can still get away.

"Sometimes asylum seekers need false identity documents to be able to get away safely, in this case, they destroy the documents once they no longer need them so they or the people who helped them get the false documents don’t get into trouble."

Reason 1

Some also come from Pakistan and want to live in Australia because its much more nicer.

Yep.

We're talking about asylum seekers here, though.

That's why I don't like boat arrivals.
I want the asylum seekers to be selected from the most needy and vulnerable.

It would stand to reason that those coming by boat are the most needy and vulnerable.

You do understand what an asylum seeker is, don't you?

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Reply #112 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:25pm:

And why can you not enter the country?
Because its ILLEGAL.

Not if you're claiming asylum.

Please read the post in full.

Simply claiming Asylum does not preclude you from proving it.

Correct.

Claiming asylum makes you an asylum seeker, not a refugee.

However, if it turns out that you are not granted refugee status, you haven't done anything illegal.

Entering without a passport or visa, with the intention of claiming asylum, isn't illegal.

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Reply #113 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:36pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away.

Coming from a confessed liar, I will totally disregard your bigoted nonsense.

Cheers.

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Reply #114 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:37pm

It should be illegal to enter australia unless you are the bearer of good positive energy and a sense of contribution.

We should be looking to take the strain off the german authorities, now they have a problem.

I have met many wonderful smiling intelligent good looking german back packers on fraser island who would love to stay in our country.

They are cheerful and smart.

They should be offered assylum.

Why is Sarah Hansen not on fraser island campaigning for the rights of these oppressed peoples to stay in our safe country after fleeing oppression at the hands of Merkel

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Reply #115 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away.

Coming from a confessed liar, I will totally disregard your bigoted nonsense.

Cheers.

prove it?

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35260 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #116 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy
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Reply #117 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

They chuck their passports overboard so they can travel as a repressed minority from Afghanistan instead of a plumber from Pakistan. The government then had to bring in language experts to work out their dialects. That fa rked 'em. Now they don't bother chucking their passports away.

Coming from a confessed liar, I will totally disregard your bigoted nonsense.

Cheers.

Language Testing Asylum-Seekers...

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Saturday 3 May 2003 3:45PM

What's wrong with using language tests to establish the claims of asylum-seekers...Tim McNamara, Professor of Linguistics at Melbourne University on the investigation he and other experts conducted into the Department of Immigration's use of overseas agencies' analyses of spoken interviews to determine the nationality of refugee claimants. His talk is an edited abstract of their report, 'Linguistic identification in the determination of nationality

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #118 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:45pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm: these girls want to stay, why doesnt greg want to offer them assylum it is not illegal to be good looking and happy Greg doesn't like girls.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #119 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 1:45pm
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