greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:
Snap. The asylum seekers and refugees entered illegally without visas. The visa overstayers did not. Thanks for playing  youve forgotten again that im always half a dozen steps ahead of you.

Trying to pretend that asylum seekers enter Australia lawfully isnt helping anything. I know a lot more about this than you or Greggary. As they do enter illegally, the government is lawfully able to detain them until their status as genuine refugees is determined, this has never been challenged in a court of law.

It isn't helping you or your argument, that is true. You know a lot more about it.?  But you aren't allowed to say anything. You are obliged to speak in generalisations, because the govt has legislated to prevent you from speaking freely.

I can only assume you are, or were, a public servant, with the Immigration Department. I have met folk like you before.. people who were on Christmas Island,   AS ADMINISTRATORS.

They got really uncomfortable when anyone spoke about the boat people and the detainees. Your role was most likely as a Guard.. or whatever you call yourselves. I don't think that means YOU know more.. I think you speak from a position of limited knowledge.  Limited to your own experience, and your perceptions, which you acquired through your work. As such??

you are entitled to speak your views, but you can't expect people with a bit more ... distance... to believe you, because you essentially speak for the status quo. The govt line. I think you need to have another look.

Emma wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:
All you need to do is look up the appropriate legislation and use your own common sense, asylum seekers are treated in accordance with the UN treaty of which Australia is a signatory. Australias own legislation allows anyone who enters illegally to be detained, surely you can understand that at least. Thats in common with every other country in the world, its universal. no one is saying they stay in Australia illegally, it is simply their method of entry which is illegal. For visa over stayers, the opposite is true. They are here illegally once their visa expires.

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:03pm:



Australia IS NOT acting in accordance with the UN Treaty... as you say Australia has enacted its own legislation, and thinks that means the govt can act illegally.
It is a mindnumbingly  obvious attempt at abrogating its responsibilities.  I believe the High Court in PNG ruled it, being the detention camps and other measures Australia has put on PNG , to be illegal.  But Australia doesn't respect that. Australia ignores that. Smells to high heaven.

well that IS the nitty gritty, isn't it?


Detention doesn't give Australia the right to behave with such callousness and inhumanity to these people. THAT is my issue. Not that they are actually being detained, but they are treated in the manner they ARE being treated. There is NO DENYING the inhumane treatment WE are perpetrating in these off-shore detention centres.




rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

If Australian criminals jailed for crimes like murder, rape and child abuse were housed in these conditions there would be an outcry.
WE ALL have a Responsibility of Care for our fellow human beings, and denying basic needs as IS occurring in the off-shore detention centres is a total failure of our responsibility. These are human beings, not non-beings. We treat our animals better. 
It is disgusting and MUST be stopped.

All Bulls.hit arguments aside what we have is a situation where elected officials with authority and responsibilities have oversaw child abuse. But insist the real issue is something else.

Peter Dutton insists that the reports of sexual assaults, beatings, self harm, attempted suicides, and guards demanding sexual favours of men, women and children are just refugees being selfishly manipulative.

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You just can't trust these shifty, greedy asylum seekers, despite the fact that these allegations are not the colourful oral histories of the refugees themselves, but the official reports made by the staff in the centres.

Our international reputation is suffering. CNN, TIME, Al Jazeera, The New York Times have all run stories on this and we are not looking like a plucky band of hero's defending our borders.

No matter what you think about boat people, the fact that children are being failed by each and every one of us should and must be cause for outrage.

Unfortunately these children are either too much of the wrong complexion or simply a member of the wrong religion