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Reply #315 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:45am
 
Fact is they are locked up, in inhumane conditions without recourse, and something must be done about it.
Argue about who said what, it doesn't matter.!!

What matters is we stop this illegal treatment of people by our government, and start to behave like civilised human beings.!

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Reply #316 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 1:22am
 
Their conditions are humane, not inhumane.
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Reply #317 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 1:38am
 
OH ?? what fairy tale are you listening to.? Angry
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Reply #318 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 3:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:26pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 8:45am:
They're simply aiming for the best.

An admirable quality.


You get to a safe country, you lose that asylum seeker status.



What's a "safe country"?


The one where you are not being persecuted for your race, religion, gender, etc. And to pre-empt your possible next question, it does not matter that other countries are mostly poorer than Australia. We can always say that the asylum seekers are never going to be safe, no matter where they end up. But, bypassed countries need to step up to the plate and offer them asylum.
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Reply #319 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 4:00am
 
Emma wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:45am:
Fact is they are locked up, in inhumane conditions without recourse, and something must be done about it.
Argue about who said what, it doesn't matter.!!

What matters is we stop this illegal treatment of people by our government, and start to behave like civilised human beings.!


What was your solution to this? Let them come, free for all, type solution?

"Aha! You have arrived unexpectedly by boat. Please come and have a free house, and live on the welfare system of Australia, in our community of your choosing", perhaps?
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Reply #320 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 8:16am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 4:00am:
Emma wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:45am:
Fact is they are locked up, in inhumane conditions without recourse, and something must be done about it.
Argue about who said what, it doesn't matter.!!

What matters is we stop this illegal treatment of people by our government, and start to behave like civilised human beings.!


What was your solution to this? Let them come, free for all, type solution?

"Aha! You have arrived unexpectedly by boat. Please come and have a free house, and live on the welfare system of Australia, in our community of your choosing", perhaps?


Don't be so utterly ridiculous.

That's like saying, "if you don't support capital punishment you must want all criminals to be released from prison".

The solution is: stop treating them inhumanely.
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Reply #321 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:00pm
 
There was a picture of a shirtless man with a head wound and another woman was talking about self-harm. Does anyone know how this correlates to our government mistreating asylum seekers?
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Reply #322 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
There was a picture of a shirtless man with a head wound and another woman was talking about self-harm. Does anyone know how this correlates to our government mistreating asylum seekers?


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Reply #323 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:04pm
 
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I loved flying kites as a kid.

I had this one kite in particular - I thought it was just the fanciest in the world. I'd get home from school everyday, run inside, grab the kite, and set it up on the abandoned property across the street from my house. The property was this abandoned stately building, which I never really knew what its purpose was. It was set high up on a hill, and surrounded by this mass of paved landscape, and looked out over the harbour.

I would stand there, letting the line roll further and further out, as the tropical winds allowed my kite to soar. There, the Pacific sun shone through the red material of my kite, and I'd pretend that this magnificent kite was some sort of signal for the ships which came only ever so often to the harbour.

The ships that came to the island came only in a few forms. Passing naval ships would occasionally dock there, maybe once or twice a year. More frequent were the mining ships, loaded with the last dwindling remnants of phosphate which the island held. There would be the once-a-month ship from Australia, holding water and groceries for the 6000 or so residents that called this island home, which led to mass crowds at the island's lone large supermarket the next day.

Up on the top of this hill from where I flew my kite, I could see so much of the island, but for the parts I didn't see, I could ride my bike around and explore through the trees and coastline.

Much of the island was exposed back then - abandoned mines, WWII jeeps and planes (haunted, if you listened to the local tales) amongst the phosphate skeletons, tracks trodden by miners and locals alike through the years. The island jungle, of course, had begun to exert its natural course, vines and trees started to creep green, hiding man's will to tap the island dry. The coastline was rich with reef, and I'd spend afternoons and weekends swimming amongst the coral, armed with a snorkel and the armour of fearless youth.

I had friends on the island. The local islander kids who'd take me to Buada Lagoon and feed me yams, bananas, and pork, the same kids I would fight through the lines during recess to buy 20c slices of vegemite and margarine on bread from nuns. The one or two Australian kids that'd maybe spend a semester of school there before their parents would send them back home. The Chinese kids I'd meet up with in the afternoon and explore the Chinese Quarter.

Mostly though, it was me, and a whole island to explore.

Repubrikin Naoero, or the Republic of Nauru, once-upon-a-time Pleasant Island, has its own story. Once claimed by the German empire, then a League of Nations mandate (administered by Australia, New Zealand and the UK), occupied by the Japanese, and then finally gaining independence in 1968.

Phosphate was discovered by a prospector in 1900, which formed the backbone of Nauru's economy for the century to come. By the late 1960s, Nauru's GDP per capita of $50 000AUD was the highest of any sovereign nation (equates roughly to $350 000 in 2016 terms).

Despite this wealth, by the time I lived there in the late 80s, the housing was simple - reminiscent of growing up the Philippines. The kids had dreams of going all the way to Australia to continue their education, or maybe move to Kiribati, Tonga, or Tuvalu. There wasn't much more on this island for them - all 21 sq kms of it, which sat 40kms south of the Equator. They all knew that the phosphate on this island wasn't to last forever.

In 1970, Nauru purchased its mining rights from its previous colonial ruler (Australia) for $20 million AUD, and soon after the Nauru Phosphate Royalties Trust was established to manage the annual $100 million phosphate industry. At its height, this Trust was responsible for roughly $1 billion. Such was the wealth of a nation that there was conversation of buying another island for the Nauruans to move to once their island was 'done'.

Through time, gross mismanagement, and developing world governmental corruption, this dwindled to about $100 million as it stands now. The current GDP is somewhere between $2500 - $5000.

Last night, I went to a Refugee Action Committee event, where four Whistleblowers spoke about their experiences, in various capacities, with our Immigration Detention Centres in Nauru. One of the Whistleblowers, Toby Gunn, related the story of how one child in the camp hoarded dental floss for a year, scavenged kebab sticks and a plastic bag, and fashioned himself a kite that he'd fly.

Not thirty years ago, I was a kid flying a kite in Nauru, and in entirely different circumstances. I flew my kite because I was free to spend a childhood on a beautiful Pacific island. He was a child who flew a kite behind a fence, surrounded by guards, and housed in bureaucratic purgatory.

Now, we can talk about it in a lot of different ways.

We can talk about how Nauru itself is a nation desperate to claim existence in a wealth squandered. We can talk about about how Australia has been entirely complicit in using this nation's standing as a third party to its perceived immigration issues and very real abuses of human rights. We can talk about the Nauru Papers. We can talk about stopping boats, at whatever cost to whatever end. We can talk about how, through Australian Government actions, we've turned an island nation's legacy to little more than a place name for our detention centres.

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Reply #324 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:05pm
 
I saw the report on SBS news. The picture of the shirtless Afghani man was juxtaposed with a lot of old file footage that wasn't properly clarified and an interview with a 'chlorokeyed' woman who talked about trauma and self-harm. Take my word for it, champ.
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Reply #325 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:08pm
 
(cont.....)

Nevertheless, opinions aside, our actions are very much having an effect on people we've relegated to political talking points and the shuffle of paper.
I think this is one of those things that in the very near future, we will be ashamed to have happened, and to continue as it has, through numerous changes in Government.
It's not this personal shame that should motivate us to see that change occurs - it's understanding that we're affecting others lives by standing by.
I implore you to take a moment, and read a few things - as we have the liberty to do so.
There are more boats docking in the harbour.
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Reply #326 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:15pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:05pm:
I saw the report on SBS news. The picture of the shirtless Afghani man was juxtaposed with a lot of old file footage that wasn't properly clarified and an interview with a 'chlorokeyed' woman who talked about trauma and self-harm. Take my word for it, champ.


Yeah, right   Roll Eyes

The link, my fine western suburbs friend, is that the mistreatment they receive, from the incompetent and corrupt Turnbull Government, is driving them to self harm.

"Trauma and self-harm

"Health and medical experts have consistently warned of the mental harm caused by prolonged detention. The files show in graphic detail how this harm has manifested.

"One man asked a caseworker where he could buy bullets so he could get someone else to shoot him. A woman sharpened a pencil with a razor blade, then cut her wrists. Another wrapped a rope around her neck and tried to hang herself. She had to be held up by guards until she could be cut down.

"In one report from January 2015, a teenage girl struggled to cope after her mother’s miscarriage. She began having “ongoing hallucinations from a ‘small person’ ”, a Save the Children worker wrote.

“She is unsure if it is a man or women but has a dark face and is the size of a child.” The hallucination had threatened to kill her: “At other times the hallucination is encouraging [REDACTED] to kill herself.”

"The toll on children’s mental health is particularly heavy. According to an April 2015 report a girl began screaming “uncontrollably” during a fight in a recreation tent.

“During this time [REDACTED] also gouged at her own face consistently and pulled her own hair,” the child protection officer wrote. “It was observed that [REDACTED] could not breath properly and had a glazed look in her eyes.”

"Other files show the anguished outbursts to which some asylum seekers have become prone since their detention: one report described a woman seeking a bandage after punching a metal pole with both hands. Another told of a woman who began banging her head with her fists after an altercation with guards. Another woman carved her husband’s name on to her chest; she wanted a tattoo but could not get one so used a knife instead. Her husband lives in Australia.

"Speaking to the Guardian before the publication of the Nauru files, Dr Peter Young, a former medical director of mental health for Australia’s immigration detention system, said: “Self-harm and suicide attempts increase steadily after six months in detention. This is driven by hopelessness which is known to be the strongest predictor of suicide.

“Some self-harm, such as lip sewing, has a protest element and is common in prisoners as an expression of feeling powerless and voiceless.”


The Nauru files: cache of 2,000 leaked reports reveal scale of abuse of children in Australian offshore detention

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Reply #327 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:23pm
 
These people can always go somewhere else.

I have never seen them as my problem, they are nothing to do with me.
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Reply #328 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:30pm
 
I believe you totally when you talk about the trauma of detention driving people to self harm. I'm not saying that's irrelevant; I'm only inviting someone to point me in the direction of ACTUAL occurrences of mistreatment of asylum seekers. Just like the 'Holocaust' thread-put that hysterical urge to kill a conservative to one side and discuss the FACTS. It seems the facts sort of disappear when asylum seekers are asked for specifics by police or officials. The fear of being sent home if found to be making false statements brings about a plethora of retractions. The ambulance-chasing federal lawyers and refugee activists must forget to mention that to asylum seekers when they're whipping them up into a 'promise of residency' frenzy.
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Reply #329 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:35pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 17th, 2016 at 2:30pm:
I believe you totally when you talk about the trauma of detention driving people to self harm. I'm not saying that's irrelevant; I'm only inviting someone to point me in the direction of ACTUAL occurrences of mistreatment of asylum seekers. Just like the 'Holocaust' thread-put that hysterical urge to kill a conservative to one side and discuss the FACTS. It seems the facts sort of disappear when asylum seekers are asked for specifics by police or officials. The fear of being sent home if found to be making false statements brings about a plethora of retractions. The ambulance-chasing federal lawyers and refugee activists must forget to mention that to asylum seekers when they're whipping them up into a 'promise of residency' frenzy.


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ACTUAL occurrences of mistreatment of asylum seekers
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