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Reply #330 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

These people can always go somewhere else.

I have never seen them as my problem, they are nothing to do with me.

Which is what our government is counting on. It's the reason there is a media black out at these detention centres. It's easier to dismiss these people without that human element.

If we really are doing what's right by these people you'd think the government would showcase it.

"Look at these humane conditions these people are in. We provide them with safe shelter, proper education for their children while we process their claims"

The easiest way to see if these allegations are true. A clear and open policy. No longer hiding in the shadows

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Reply #331 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 3:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 2:30pm:

I believe you totally when you talk about the trauma of detention driving people to self harm. I'm not saying that's irrelevant; I'm only inviting someone to point me in the direction of ACTUAL occurrences of mistreatment of asylum seekers. Just like the 'Holocaust' thread-put that hysterical urge to kill a conservative to one side and discuss the FACTS. It seems the facts sort of disappear when asylum seekers are asked for specifics by police or officials. The fear of being sent home if found to be making false statements brings about a plethora of retractions. The ambulance-chasing federal lawyers and refugee activists must forget to mention that to asylum seekers when they're whipping them up into a 'promise of residency' frenzy.

ACTUAL occurrences of mistreatment of asylum seekers

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #332 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 3:18pm These people can always go somewhere else. I have never seen them as my problem, they are nothing to do with me.' Same here I'm more concerned with what Israel's doing to Palestinians, in fact
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #333 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 3:26pm PZ547 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 3:18pm: These people can always go somewhere else. I have never seen them as my problem, they are nothing to do with me.' Same here I'm more concerned with what Israel's doing to Palestinians, in fact You can walk and chew gum, yeas?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #334 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:09pm PB, I'll read the report in full when i come down from my work high. A warning though, to anyone who is thinking of reading 'the Guardian' report. Expect emotive language, unsubstantiated anecdotes hearsay and rumour with a smattering of evidence
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Reply #335 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:34pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

PB, I'll read the report in full when i come down from my work high. A warning though, to anyone who is thinking of reading 'the Guardian' report. Expect emotive language, unsubstantiated anecdotes hearsay and rumour with a smattering of evidence

The reports are written by detention centre staff.

Example:

"CW [REDACTED] SPOKE WITH [REDACTED], [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED] WHOM INFORMED THE FOLLOWING: AT APPROX 11:15 TODAY, THE BOYS WERE IN TENT [REDACTED]. LOCAL CSO OFFICER [REDACTED] ENTERED THE TENT YELLING AT THEM. THE BOYS ACTED OUT FOR CW THAT [REDACTED] GRABBED [REDACTED] BY THE THROAT AND PUSHED HIM TO THE GROUND. WHEN [REDACTED] TRIED TO GET UP, [REDACTED] PICKED HIM UP BY THE SHIRT, HELD HIS ARMS AND SWUNG AND THREW HIM TOWARDS THE EXIT. [REDACTED] ALSO PUSHED [REDACTED] ARM BEHIND [REDACTED]"S BACK WHICH [REDACTED] SAID CAUSED HIM PAIN. THE BOYS SAID THEY HAD TOLD A FEMALE IHMS STAFF MEMBER AT APPROX 11:30. CW [REDACTED] DISCUSSED WITH THE BOYS WAYS THEY COULD STAY SAFE FOR THE EVENING. OPTIONS IDENTIFIED INCLUDED: STAYING TOGETHER, KEEPING IN COMMON AREAS, AND STAYING CLOSE TO THEIR PARENTS."

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #336 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:37pm Terrible . Disgraceful. Conspicuous by it's uniqueness.
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Reply #337 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

Type of incident: Assault on a minor:

AT 1330, ASYLUM SEEKER [REDACTED] APPROACHED SAVE THE CHILDREN (SCA) CASE WORKER (CW) [REDACTED] IN THE MESS AT RPC3. [REDACTED] WAS CRYING AND WAS OBSERVED TO BE VERY SHAKEN. [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED] SAT OUTSIDE WHERE [REDACTED] REPORTED THAT A WILSONS SECURITY GUARD HAD JUST HIT HIM. [REDACTED] EXPLAINED TO [REDACTED] THAT HE WAS IN TENT [REDACTED] WITH [REDACTED], [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED] WHEN A SECURITY GUARD ENTERED AND YELLED AT THEM, "HY ARE YOU IN HERE?". [REDACTED] THEN REPORTED THAT THE SECURITY GUARD GRABBED HIM AROUND THE THROAT AND HIT HIS HEAD AGAINST THE GROUND TWICE. [REDACTED] ALSO SAID THAT THE SECURITY GUARD THREW A CHAIR ON HIM AND SHOWED [REDACTED] A RED RAISED MARK ON HIS ARM. AT THIS STAGE, [REDACTED], [REDACTED] AND [REDACTED] HAD JOINED THE CONVERSATION AND ALL CONFIRMED WHAT [REDACTED] HAD REPORTED. [REDACTED] ASKED [REDACTED] TO SHOW HER WHO THE SECURITY GUARD WAS. THE CHILDREN LEAD CW TO AREA 10 AND POINTED AT A MALE SECURITY GUARD, WHO WAS LATE IDENTIFIED BY CW [REDACTED] AS [REDACTED]. [REDACTED] SAID "HE HIT ME". [REDACTED] THEN ASKED [REDACTED] "WHY DID YOU HIT ME?". [REDACTED] THEN MOVED TOWARDS [REDACTED] AND IN A RAISED VOICE RESPONDED DID YOU COME IN HERE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED IN HERE, GET OUT OF HERE". [REDACTED] THEN LEAD THE CHILDREN OUT OF AREA 10. A NUMBER OF OTHER ASYLUM SEEKERS APPROACHED THE CHILDREN AND WERE SPEAKING IN ARABIC ABOUT THE INCIDENT. AT THIS TIME, [REDACTED] LEFT THE CONVERSATION IN ORDER TO PHONE CONTROL.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139846 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #338 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:44pm Water not suitable for consumption. Report
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139846 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #339 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 5:48pm Security Officer fiddling with a boy's bum: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/ng-interactive/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-f...
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #340 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:36pm The allegations took 4 months go come to light. Come on, PB; you're smarter than that.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139846 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #341 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:39pm Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:36pm: The allegations took 4 months go come to light. Come on, PB; you're smarter than that. It always amazes (and disgusts) me when people will look for any excuse possible to dismiss allegations of child abuse.
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Reply #342 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:43pm

Emma wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 11:28am:

I have said it before.If a government cannot or will not support its own citizens, it deserves to be destroyed, eliminated and dispatched with extreme intensity.If a population cannot be supported by the land on which it lives, it should be allowed to die out.Yes, allowed to perish, until a manageable, sustainable level of population is eventually reached.

Well how come you think that way, when our country cannot or will not support its own citizens, and our country is not supported by the land on which it lives. Our government punishes our disabled children and our indigenous people, it fails the disadvantaged and those in our care. Our government abandons our returned soldiers to their fate, and actively resists paying them just entitlements.

We are not supporting the dairy industry, or other primary producers that are drought-stricken. WE import huge amounts of food and other commodities, at the expense of our own producers. SO ..... you are saying WE should be allowed to perish, until a manageable sustainable level of pop. is eventually reached.

Now THAT is truth.... so WE don't deserve to live here.
That is what you are saying....

Too bad you don't recognize your own shite.

Australia can and does support its own.
And many other countries to who we give give give and get nothing back.
Australians recognize that we have limited resources and that is why we dont breed like rabid animals, we have only those children that we can support.
If for one second I though that My children would be unable to work, support themselves and live a comfortable life, I would have not had children.

But these third world countries breed without a though for their children, so why should we?

Please answer this one simple question.
If we continue to give them what they need to survive, and they continue to breed uncontrolled.
What do you think will eventually happen?

Remember they are doubling their population every decade.
Can we continue to provide more and more every year?

I will not be responsible for the death of 10,000,000,000 unborn children by supporting uncontrolled breeding.
Better to allow 10,000,000 to die now until they can reach a manageable level.
They are responsible for their predicament, not I

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I HAVE A DREAM
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139846 Gender:	Re: Nauru disgrace. Reply #343 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:48pm Valkie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:43pm: Better to allow 10,000,000 to die now until they can reach a manageable level. Unless one of them was a child of yours, of course.
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Re: Nauru disgrace.
Reply #344 - Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

Valkie wrote on Aug 17^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Better to allow 10,000,000 to die now until they can reach a manageable level.

Unless one of them was a child of yours, of course.

Exactly.
Because I would not have a child if I knew there was no chance for a decent life for that child.

That is the difference,
I think before I force my wife to have child after child after child, just because I cannot or will not control myself.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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