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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #15 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:13am No I don't think so John. I freely agree a big doozy of a mistake was made. But it should not have been compounded by throwing up hands and walking away just for the votes, all the while muttering "yes we can".
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Reply #16 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:19am

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 8:13am:

No I don't think so John. I freely agree a big doozy of a mistake was made.
But it should not have been compounded by throwing up hands and walking away just for the votes, all the while muttering "yes we can".

milk was spilt ... it was to late to try to cork the bottle after the fact. There was always going to be a power vacuum. Unless you expected the west to stay there indefinitely.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #17 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 9:16am

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

And of course he's right.
He's usually right and he's not wrong about this.

The Muslim boy promised he would get the troops home. (Granted they shouldn't have been there at all and absolutely the Iraq army shouldn't have been disbanded)
But he brought too many home against all advice about the consequences.
Result: power vacuum.

Second, he championed, in fact he encouraged, all these Arab Spring movements. He actually supported the Muslim Brotherhood.
The reality was only the dictatorships were suppressing the terrorist groups.
Result: further spread of IS and All Qaeda.

Nice try Boges, but I'm afraid Trump himself objects to this interpretation of his comments:

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Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #18 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 9:26am

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

He's usually right ...

Why lie, Mr Bogarde?

"PolitiFact found that 78 percent of the 96 Trump statements it reviewed were either “mostly false,” “false” or “pants-on-fire” false, the highest percentage by far in the current field of presidential candidates."

The Washington Post

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Reply #19 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 9:32am

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

He's usually right ...

Not even close.

"It’s been a banner year for political whoppers — and for one teller of tall tales in particular: Donald Trump.

"In the 12 years of FactCheck.org’s existence, we’ve never seen his match.

"He stands out not only for the sheer number of his factually false claims, but also for his brazen refusals to admit error when proven wrong."

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137752 Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #20 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 10:04am bogarde73 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 4:25pm: He's usually right ... "Trump boasted that he “predicted Osama bin Laden.” "Nope. "The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden’s future plans." Liar
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Reply #21 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 10:29am

"Trump “heard” that Obama is “thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away.” If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them."

Another Trump Lie

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Reply #22 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 10:58am

Boges has clearly got swept away in this Trump hysteria - to the point it has made him completely irrational.

I was actually surprised to see him in siege mode over this issue. I remember when I heard the story on the news this morning I thought to myself 'surely not even Boges will support this'.

Poor Boges, lets just for a moment ignore the fact that Trump is headed for an almighty landslide defeat against someone who would otherwise be the least likable candidate - and focus on this hopeless fantasy he has conjured up about some anti-establishment, anti-PC warrior who is going to magically sweep away all this corrupt big-business oligarchy and bring power back to the little man.

What a joke - I mean Trump of all people? Really, can you think of someone who is more emblematic of big business and elite establishment? The billionaire who inherited all his wealth (and is actually worse off financially now than he would have been had he just hidden his money away in investments and lived in a monastry all his life), and has no track record of 'standing up for the little man' - other than to exploit them and make money off them. Sorry Boges, but if by some miracle Trump does win (and for the record, before the Khan fiasco, I really believed he had a real shot) - he will be every bit the same establishment, pro-business, do-nothing-to-rock-the-boat President thats ever been. In fact I actually think 'warmonger' Hillary will be far more a threat to global security than Trump. Its almost worth seeing Trump win just to see the collective disillusionment on the fan-boys faces as he spectacularly fails to be the messiah.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #23 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am And just think, if the repugs had selected pretty much any other candidate but Trump, they would likely romp home against Hillary.
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Reply #24 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:02am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

Boges has clearly got swept away in this Trump hysteria - to the point it has made him completely irrational.

You got that right.

Boges: "He's usually right ... "

Not even close, Mr 73.

“What’s unusual about Trump is he’s a leading candidate and he seems to have no interest in getting important things factually correct.” Liar Trump

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #25 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:05am Of course he's right. He's the only one who wants to keep Muslims out, no?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137752 Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #26 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:10am "Trump: 'Real unemployment rate' is 42 percent". Wrong, Mr Trump.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #27 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:10am bogarde73 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:05am: Of course he's right. He's the only one who wants to keep Muslims out, no? But haven't you heard boges? - he doesn't. He's backpeddled on that - now its only muslims from nations that are a security risk
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137752 Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #28 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:16am "Trump: 'Thousands' in Jersey City cheered on 9/11" Wrong, Mr Trump.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Trump says Abu bin Obama founded IS Reply #29 - Aug 12^th, 2016 at 11:24am Excuse me Greg but none of your quoted & linked sources are social media therefore they are bias against Trump.
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