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Aug 13th, 2016 at 9:46pm
 
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In Brexit and Trump, neoliberalism has reached its natural conclusion. What now?

Elizabeth Farrelly

I knew an unemployed artist who found work with a registered training organisation. Not teaching art. Teaching forklift drivers. "You ever drive a forklift?" I asked in surprise. He said no, unnecessary. He'd done a short course (not in forklift driving). He'd ticked the VET boxes for the TAE certificate from the RTO. All good. To me it made no sense, even sans the alphabet soup. Still doesn't. But this is what we have now instead of an education system: a market. Caveat emptor.

It has to end. Neoliberalism was always based on a fundamental failure of self-knowledge. Now surely it has run its course. For decades, belief in The Market as divine presence – guaranteeing fairness and quality and providing a universal template for everything from museums to democracy to prisons – has been sewn like a nasty neoliberal pellet under our social skin.

Gradually, as it released its low-dose toxicity into our bloodstream, we've deprived and debilitated our health system, our vocational education, our universities, our ports, our public service, our postal system, our electricity provision, our public assets, our parks and institutions, our public housing, our super, our correctional system, our building regulation and our motorways.

As the rich get richer and the fragile vanish from the conversation, the world starts to feel like that scene in The Lion King where Scar takes control and the Pride Lands become the deathlands, tided in misery.

Now, at last, this is starting to reverse. The jasmine is flowering and a sweetness tinges the air. People are shaking off the "greed is good" corset. More and more young people, recognising that altruism is not a chore but a pleasure, are self-styled "social entrepreneurs". I feel it. Simba is gathering courage. Inside 10 years we'll be reverting to some kind of neo-Galbraithianism. Just hope there's something left when it happens.

This is not lefty claptrap. An International Monetary Fund paper argued in June that neoliberalism "increases inequality". Australian Competition and Consumer Commission boss Rod Sims said in July that privatisation has increased prices to consumers.

Yes, their moral tone was a surprise. We don't associate economists with morality. Neoliberalism in particular has conditioned us to expect all public utterance to hover between the emotionally absent and downright morally bankrupt. Somehow we've become OK with this.

But neither the IMF nor the ACCC were making moral points. Both were saying "and so it cannot work". Economically. Not possible.

Too much inequality, says the IMF, renders growth unsustainable. Neoliberalism's spiralling prices, says the ACCC, diminish productivity. Even in its own, strictly utilitarian terms, neoliberalism has failed us.

"I am now at the point of almost opposing privatisation," concluded Sims, as though he'd just woken from a dream and was kinda surprised to hear himself saying it.

Neoliberalism, as defined in 1938 by Austrian economist Friedrich Hayek, (with whom Margaret Thatcher corresponded personally for years and to whom she credited "our ultimate victory"), springs from two principles. Market freedom and small government. These bring Darwinian competition in all things, and government conceived not as provider of essential services but merely as regulator of those who do.

Yet it has failed, for many reasons, all blindingly obvious. One, because neoliberalism, as modified by Milton Friedman (and adopted by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher) did a major u-turn, from opposing monopoly to approving of it as proof of "merit". Hence, for example, Rupert Murdoch. So the market's role as magical guardian of diversity and choice vanished, just like that.

Second. Universal competition – between universities or schools or cities – needs universal definition, quantification, regulation and, especially, enforcement. This produces a massive bureaucracy, directly contradicting "small government".

Third, competition as a guarantor of excellence (and therefore consumer satisfaction) works if – but only if – the consumer can assess and compare products. This is possible in, say, restaurants but not in master of philosophy degrees or breast surgeries. Or forklift courses. In most things that matter, product quality is not discernible until it's way too late to change, and often not even then.

Fourth, governments are not corporations, and the effort to behave that way renders them permanently third rate. Government and commerce are fundamentally different and opposed, since one seeks to benefit the people and the other seeks to exploit them.

Fifth is this: economics isn't really about economics. We're not really driven by yields and profits and internal rates of return. Economics is really about desire.

Suddenly you're interested, right? Desire means chocolate, fast cars, sunshine, sex – not necessarily in that order. Desire makes us human. It makes us think, yearn, scheme, invent and create. It makes us motile. But it's not really about dollars. We want money, of course, because money – after food and shelter – brings status and power and beauty and freedom and perhaps even love.


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Those things we want. So to sacrifice them for money is deeply counter-productive. Neoliberalism has failed because its ruthless pursuit of money as the sole human good generates an equally ruthless race to the cruel and sludgy bottom. Trump and Brexit are simply Reagan and Thatcher's pigeons, home to roost.

This is not a plea for the return of Labor. Jimmy Carter's US government and Jim Callaghan's in Britain were first to embrace neoliberal monetarism. In New Zealand and Australia it was the "right-wing Labor" governments of David Lange and Paul Keating that instituted neoliberal social policies, destroying especially free university education, which cannot be forgiven.

J.K. Galbraith famously defined conservatism as "the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness". But even selfishness, properly defined, requires a functional ecosystem. You can't run the Pride Lands for long feeding only the hyenas. In the end, the ostriches and warthogs must also be happy.

Weirdly, neoliberalism and communism both failed for a reluctance to understand humans. Profit is not our only motive. Putting it at the wheel of prisons or schools or breast surgery then relying on "competition" and regulation to ensure quality was always doomed to substitute box-ticking for substance. Sooner or later, you need people who can actually drive forklifts.
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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 9:51pm
 
I agree.  And another mantra which is just as yesterday.
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Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:21pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 9:50pm:


It's still worth having a debate over which services are best delivered by government, and which are best in the private sector.

A problem with monopolies is not everyone gets access. I studied acting once, many careers ago. The government provided a handful of acting degrees in the old universities in the capital cities. Only a tiny number got a position. Try auditioning for NIDA - I never even bothered.

I got a scholarship at a small private college. The teachers were NIDA trained. It had the same curriculum. It was a good little school.

Without colleges like this, most wouldn't have received that training. I remember going to the Actor's Equity sign-up after graduation - maybe 200 students from all those schools met in a big hall, along with NIDA and WAPA. They vastly outnumbered the public universities, who were seen as the "elites".

In the end, most of us got no work. Most of us ended up getting jobs and dropping out. Who knows? Perhaps the 20-odd places offered by the government colleges makes more sense. Does the Australian economy need 200 newly-trained actors a year?

But an acting degree is also a liberal-arts education. We learned a lot about literature, human motivation and the interface between them: performing. It was probably the most useful training I've ever had.

I had a couple of agents. I never got a job. But I learned things about people.

Neoliberalism has seen education become no more than accreditation. This is good, perhaps, for getting a forklift license.

But it's not a good way to learn, and understand your place in a society.
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:27pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
It's still worth having a debate over which services are best delivered by government, and which are best in the private sector.


all essential services should be govt, as well as all police, jails, and defense forces. In a country the size of Australia, with such a low population, then that includes internet and communications infrastructure. All roads, airports and ports. I'd also suggest one govt. bank with competition from the private sector. Then lets see if they refuse to drop interest rates when the reserve bank does.

I'll add: health and education should be provided by govt. (but not restricted to).
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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:30pm
 
That's a rather elaborate strawman Karnal.
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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
It's still worth having a debate over which services are best delivered by government, and which are best in the private sector.


all essential services should be govt, as well as all police, jails, and defense forces. In a country the size of Australia, with such a low population, then that includes internet and communications infrastructure. All roads, airports and ports. I'd also suggest one govt. bank with competition from the private sector. Then lets see if they refuse to drop interest rates when the reserve bank does.

I'll add: health and education should be provided by govt. (but not restricted to).


I agree with most of those - particularly health. Saving lives shouldn't rely on the profit motive.

I'm not sure about banks though. Why should one bank should be run by the government?

Financial services can only be driven by the profit motive. It seems to me that if you take that out, capitalism wouldn't work. I'm open to change my mind on this.

The important thing is that this is all an experiment. Applying rigid theories doesn't work. Once, foster care could only be managed by the state. How can the care of children be driven by the profit motive?

Foster care is now largely managed by the big NGOs and charities. It's a profit-spinner too - like aged and disability care.

Once, these services were performed by volunteers - families. Today, they're done for cold hard cash. Each, I guess, has its benefits and problems. My mother was very clear that she doesn't want me looking after her in her old age, and I don't disagree.

We have a lot of residual economic theories left over from different economic times. It seems pointless being precious about these. As Deng Xiou Ping said, it doesn't matter which cat catches the mouse.

As Monkey said, we die for our beliefs - time and time again.
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
That's a rather elaborate strawman Karnal.


The more the word strawman is used, the more it loses its meaning. These days, I have no idea what it means.
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Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Why should one bank should be run by the government?


it keeps the others honest. As it stands, the Reserve bank is a toothless tiger. Govt. needs some control over the economy and at the moment, it has none.

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Critique of capitalism  - number 5 million. Solution to capitalism - zero.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
Solution to capitalism - zero.



BALANCE
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Reply #12 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:56pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
Solution to capitalism - zero.



BALANCE



ok. Give me half your savings and assets.
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Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 11:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:52pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Why should one bank should be run by the government?


it keeps the others honest. As it stands, the Reserve bank is a toothless tiger. Govt. needs some control over the economy and at the moment, it has none.



How would one bank keep others honest? Banks are judged on one thing: their profits.
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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2016 at 11:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:52pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
Why should one bank should be run by the government?


it keeps the others honest. As it stands, the Reserve bank is a toothless tiger. Govt. needs some control over the economy and at the moment, it has none.



Neither of you know what the reserve bank does, do you?
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