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Retreat from globalism: Trump economic adviser
Aug 14th, 2016 at 3:33pm
 
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The meteoric growth of the US as an economic power with a thriving middle class was founded on the notion of pursuing America’s national interest first. For nearly two centuries, few formal trade agreements were legislated and trade administration was not outsourced to international tribunals. Instead, American policy makers crafted trade policies to advance America’s own priorities.

Yet, over the last 70 years or so, trade policy shifted. Instead of furthering America’s national interest, our approach to trade has been scripted by the thematic headline of “globalization.”

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the modern “globalization” framework of free trade agreements and the international agencies that govern them were actually established to promote US foreign policy interests following World War II, not the interests of America’s domestic economy. Today, these foreign strategic objectives and the policies that advanced them are no longer relevant. The Marshall Plan is ancient history. Bretton Woods collapsed in the early 1970s. There hasn’t been a successful GATT round in over 20 years. The rebuilding of Europe and Japan are long completed. And fear of the Soviet Union is a distant memory.

The world has changed, but globalization’s original architecture has failed to keep pace. As a result, the multi-lateral trade agreements and the massively complex bureaucratic institutions that govern them have become clouded, convoluted and impossible to interpret.

America’s outdated trade architecture is unsettling American workers, who are fed up with what they interpret as elitist rhetoric of professorial cost-benefit analysis. In the face of outsourcing, offshoring and currency manipulations, American workers believe that only foreign countries, major multinational corporations and the wealthiest one percent benefit from current trade policy. The problem is compounded as central banks intervene with negative interest rates and governments accumulate mountains of new debt, while economic growth languishes, real wages stagnate, and inequality rises.

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Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 4:36pm
 
Trump can't go wrong with Tom Barrack on his team. Tom is a very wise man
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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 5:39pm
 
Instead of furthering America’s national interest, Uncle's put his friends in charge of trade negotiations.

Every big decision made in the US is made by the multinationals. In most cases, their lobbyists write the legislation. This includes the WTO, intellectual property and patent legislation, health care, defense industries, telecommunications, argribusiness and - especially - banking and finance.

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Yet, over the last 70 years or so, trade policy shifted.


Indeed it did. 70 years ago marked the transition to the post-war era. Prior to this, the US operated within a war economy, and prior to this, there was Roosevelt's New Deal.

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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 6:08pm
 
Capitalism rampant, has labour so cheap that Labour cannot buy what it produces. So Capitalism has to be reined in. In the 50s and 60s, the communists said they would bury Capitalism, and most people thought they meant militarily and socially. Communist China may still succeed, but by giving Capitalists what they crave: dirt cheap labour. Globalisation is sold to Western populations by promising them cheap goods. Not by the communists; by Capitalists who are milking the west for the last drop of its "golden eggs." Howzat for a mixed metaphor?

Trump may be obnoxious in many ways, but he's right about this problem. Whether he, or any President, can reverse this situation is debatable. If he tries, he will have a lot of rich enemies. If he wasn't such a schmuck, he's have a better chance.
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Reply #4 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:59am
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 6:08pm:
Capitalism rampant, has labour so cheap that Labour cannot buy what it produces.


Actually, the opposite is now occurring. Cheap cars, scooters and mobile phones are being produced for the emerging economies, China and India. Capitalism is now working on cheap sources of energy through cheaper solar panels.

It's not so much that capitalism is consuming itself, it's that the world's economic axis is shifting in favour of the emerging markets. The sheer size of their populations make this a given.

Trump's suggestion that globalization does not favour America is far from true. Critics of globalization in the developing world have been pointing out that globalization is skewed towards America for years.

Take farming subsidies. The US doesn't like doing trade deals with countries that subsidize agriculture, but the US currently has the 2nd highest subsidies in the world, after the EU. Indeed, trade talks between America and the EU always get stuck on subsidies, each side demanding the other cuts back. 

The US and EU have negotiated exemptions in the WTO for their farming subsidies. All other countries must have totally free agriculture markets with no government subsidies. This places these countries in a unique position. They are able to sell cheaper agricultural products and dump these on the rest of the world, destroying foreign producers in the process, putting foreign farmers out of business.

This is just one area where the US does not operate on a level playing field, but its a big area. Agriculture is one of the biggest industries in the world. When Trump talks about doing better deals for America, he's talking about shafting the rest of the world - or attempting to. Why would other countries do business with the US on such a basis?

The economy is global. Smaller countries are free to turn their backs on America and negotiate with China and India. If the US attempts to screw them, as Trump suggests, this is exactly what will happen.
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Reply #5 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 12:11pm
 
But of course he's more concerned about the sectors that employ. Jobs = Votes. In the bigger picture agriculture is a low employer.
He wants to try to bring the factories home from Mexico & Asia. A big ask.
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Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 12:11pm:
But of course he's more concerned about the sectors that employ. Jobs = Votes. In the bigger picture agriculture is a low employer.


In the Mid-Western, white male heartland Trump's going for, agriculture ties with manufacturing as the biggest industry there is. The farming sector has driven politics in these states for years.

The US has no way of getting heavy manufacturing back. Its been on the decline since the 1970s, when Europe and Japan entered the market with cheaper, better cars and electronic goods.

What can you do? You can try tax incentives (which the US already does). You can lower the minimum wage (which would decimate the US economy). You can impose tariffs (which would simply create a bidding war). In doing so, you'd have to opt out of the WTO, which favours US industry and patents anyway.

Since the 1990s, the US has shifted to producing intellectual property. Silicon Valley produces ideas. Big pharma and agribusiness produces patents. Fast food, soft drinks and clothing produces brands. The US hasn't focused on making things for the past two decades.

So not only is it not plausible to bring back all those industries, it's not in America's economic interest.
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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:46pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
The meteoric growth of the US as an economic power with a thriving middle class was founded on the notion of pursuing America’s national interest first. For nearly two centuries, few formal trade agreements were legislated and trade administration was not outsourced to international tribunals. Instead, American policy makers crafted trade policies to advance America’s own priorities.


Blah...blah...blah bippy blah

Substitute "globalization" with American imperialist war and you have a Trump economic "policy." Fanta Hitler is all for deploying more US troops and warplanes in the Middle East whereas Hillary's current credential is to attack Fanta Hitler from the right as dick sucking toolsack of Putin (which he is).

Clinton on the other hand already has the American military-intelligence apparatus bought and paid for in her back pocket; she has generals, ex-CIA and now “nonpartisan” Rethuglicons to tout her qualifications.

Quit posting this poo, Boey. It's really getting - as Fanta Hitler would say - "sad."
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:59pm
 
Say pretty please.
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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 5:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:59am:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 6:08pm:
Capitalism rampant, has labour so cheap that Labour cannot buy what it produces.


Actually, the opposite is now occurring. Cheap cars, scooters and mobile phones are being produced for the emerging economies, China and India. Capitalism is now working on cheap sources of energy through cheaper solar panels.

It's not so much that capitalism is consuming itself, it's that the world's economic axis is shifting in favour of the emerging markets. The sheer size of their populations make this a given.

Trump's suggestion that globalization does not favour America is far from true. Critics of globalization in the developing world have been pointing out that globalization is skewed towards America for years.

Take farming subsidies. The US doesn't like doing trade deals with countries that subsidize agriculture, but the US currently has the 2nd highest subsidies in the world, after the EU. Indeed, trade talks between America and the EU always get stuck on subsidies, each side demanding the other cuts back. 

The US and EU have negotiated exemptions in the WTO for their farming subsidies. All other countries must have totally free agriculture markets with no government subsidies. This places these countries in a unique position. They are able to sell cheaper agricultural products and dump these on the rest of the world, destroying foreign producers in the process, putting foreign farmers out of business.

This is just one area where the US does not operate on a level playing field, but its a big area. Agriculture is one of the biggest industries in the world. When Trump talks about doing better deals for America, he's talking about shafting the rest of the world - or attempting to. Why would other countries do business with the US on such a basis?

The economy is global. Smaller countries are free to turn their backs on America and negotiate with China and India. If the US attempts to screw them, as Trump suggests, this is exactly what will happen.


There is only one reason why anyone does business with anyone else; because they want something the other produces. Its the same if you buy something from an individual. I really don't care if Americans are screwing the rest of the world, as long as they are not screwing me. Whether its America or Australia or Europe, Globalisation does not favour the labour of developed economies, its simple math. It does favour those who own the means of production, and that is the only reason it has been instituted in developed economies. Further, a culture that ceases to produce the things it uses, is culturally and economically weakened by that degree. One of the great selling points of Globalisation was that the West is becoming an information economy. Sounds all cool and digital, just click your mouse and make money. The trouble is you cannot eat or wear information.
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Re: Retreat from globalism: Trump economic adviser
Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:11pm
 
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
The meteoric growth of the US as an economic power with a thriving middle class was founded on the notion of pursuing America’s national interest first. For nearly two centuries, few formal trade agreements were legislated and trade administration was not outsourced to international tribunals. Instead, American policy makers crafted trade policies to advance America’s own priorities.


Blah...blah...blah bippy blah

Substitute "globalization" with American imperialist war and you have a Trump economic "policy." Fanta Hitler is all for deploying more US troops and warplanes in the Middle East whereas Hillary's current credential is to attack Fanta Hitler from the right as dick sucking toolsack of Putin (which he is).

Clinton on the other hand already has the American military-intelligence apparatus bought and paid for in her back pocket; she has generals, ex-CIA and now “nonpartisan” Rethuglicons to tout her qualifications.

Quit posting this poo, Boey. It's really getting - as Fanta Hitler would say - "sad."



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............A U.S. military General has called for Hillary Clinton to serve jail time after it emerged that names of CIA-protected agents were found on her private email server.

Former army General Jerry Boykin has accused Hillary of endangering lives, in an interview with Breitbart News Radio.

The retired General said “What Hillary Clinton has done, I can tell you, it is … punishable by jail time. I think ultimately she’s going be indicted. She has to be. This cannot stand.”..........


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http://yournewswire.com/u-s-military-declare-war-on-hillary-clinton/
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Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:12pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 5:23pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 11:59am:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 6:08pm:
Capitalism rampant, has labour so cheap that Labour cannot buy what it produces.


Actually, the opposite is now occurring. Cheap cars, scooters and mobile phones are being produced for the emerging economies, China and India. Capitalism is now working on cheap sources of energy through cheaper solar panels.

It's not so much that capitalism is consuming itself, it's that the world's economic axis is shifting in favour of the emerging markets. The sheer size of their populations make this a given.

Trump's suggestion that globalization does not favour America is far from true. Critics of globalization in the developing world have been pointing out that globalization is skewed towards America for years.

Take farming subsidies. The US doesn't like doing trade deals with countries that subsidize agriculture, but the US currently has the 2nd highest subsidies in the world, after the EU. Indeed, trade talks between America and the EU always get stuck on subsidies, each side demanding the other cuts back. 

The US and EU have negotiated exemptions in the WTO for their farming subsidies. All other countries must have totally free agriculture markets with no government subsidies. This places these countries in a unique position. They are able to sell cheaper agricultural products and dump these on the rest of the world, destroying foreign producers in the process, putting foreign farmers out of business.

This is just one area where the US does not operate on a level playing field, but its a big area. Agriculture is one of the biggest industries in the world. When Trump talks about doing better deals for America, he's talking about shafting the rest of the world - or attempting to. Why would other countries do business with the US on such a basis?

The economy is global. Smaller countries are free to turn their backs on America and negotiate with China and India. If the US attempts to screw them, as Trump suggests, this is exactly what will happen.


There is only one reason why anyone does business with anyone else; because they want something the other produces. Its the same if you buy something from an individual. I really don't care if Americans are screwing the rest of the world, as long as they are not screwing me. Whether its America or Australia or Europe, Globalisation does not favour the labour of developed economies, its simple math.


Maths is why it does favour developed economies, Issues. Manufactured goods cost a pittance, and with the exception of advances in productivity, it's largely on the back of cheap labour. This is the quantitative argument.

But the other aspect to labour is job satisfaction. Performing repetitive assembly work is not many people's idea of a satisfying career. This is the qualitative argument. We're fortunate enough to have people in the developing world make stuff for us. In the developed world, we perform services for each other. Right now, the one thing keeping the Australian economy going is the financial services sector. This comes on the back of a real estate boom.

Yes, once we rode on the sheep's back. Now we ride on our houses and cheap credit. It's a little different in the US. There, the bubble burst in 2007. The economy has barely recovered.

I can't see how the developing world can sustain low wages forever, but it's a different work ethic in Asia. People scrimp and save, and credit is not so easily available. Maybe this can be sustained. If the developing world can continue to be distracted from wage rises, perhaps it can. Japan and South Korea continue to have low wages in comparison to the West, and they're the most prosperous and developed manufacturing countries in Asia. In Japan, people don't even take their holidays because they don't want to be seen as lazy.

There's a good reason to produce goods in countries with cheap labour. While this is possible, business will always go with the cheapest and most productive option.

And so will we. Why would consumers buy badly made expensive stuff?
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Reply #12 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 6:11pm:
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:46pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 14th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
The meteoric growth of the US as an economic power with a thriving middle class was founded on the notion of pursuing America’s national interest first. For nearly two centuries, few formal trade agreements were legislated and trade administration was not outsourced to international tribunals. Instead, American policy makers crafted trade policies to advance America’s own priorities.


Blah...blah...blah bippy blah

Substitute "globalization" with American imperialist war and you have a Trump economic "policy." Fanta Hitler is all for deploying more US troops and warplanes in the Middle East whereas Hillary's current credential is to attack Fanta Hitler from the right as dick sucking toolsack of Putin (which he is).

Clinton on the other hand already has the American military-intelligence apparatus bought and paid for in her back pocket; she has generals, ex-CIA and now “nonpartisan” Rethuglicons to tout her qualifications.

Quit posting this poo, Boey. It's really getting - as Fanta Hitler would say - "sad."



Quote:
............A U.S. military General has called for Hillary Clinton to serve jail time after it emerged that names of CIA-protected agents were found on her private email server.

Former army General Jerry Boykin has accused Hillary of endangering lives, in an interview with Breitbart News Radio.

The retired General said “What Hillary Clinton has done, I can tell you, it is … punishable by jail time. I think ultimately she’s going be indicted. She has to be. This cannot stand.”..........


Quote:
http://yournewswire.com/u-s-military-declare-war-on-hillary-clinton/


Strange. An ex-military general on Trump’s payroll.

I wonder why he’d say such things about Hilary.
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Reply #13 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 12:39pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 8:32pm:
Strange. An ex-military general on Trump’s payroll.

I wonder why he’d say such things about Hilary.



Yeah, and he's a god damn nutcase, too.

No wonder toolsacks like Boey like him.
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Reply #14 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 9:51pm
 
[url][/url]Marla wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 8:32pm:
Strange. An ex-military general on Trump’s payroll.

I wonder why he’d say such things about Hilary.



Yeah, and he's a god damn nutcase, too.

No wonder toolsacks like Boey like him.


It seems that Boey’s gone rather quiet on the policies.

Mind you, I read Trump’s economic campaign policy speech last week. The entire speech was an attack on Hilary.

Oh, he did announce a couple of policies: "we’ll provide the detail a little later in the campaign."

I’m sure we’ll find out after we’ve voted for him.

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