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Aug 15th, 2016 at 7:37pm
 
And so is anyone who uses them.

A Sydney naturopath will face trial over a raw food diet she allegedly devised for a breastfeeding mother, whose baby nearly starved to death.

Marilyn Bodnar, 60, has appeared in Campbelltown Local Court charged with recklessly causing grievous bodily harm and aiding or abetting failure to provide necessities of life to a child.

She is yet to enter a formal plea, however has indicated she will plead not guilty.

The prosecution alleges that in February 2015 a 33-year-old maternity ward nurse, who cannot be identified, went to the naturopath seeking advice for her baby son's eczema.

It is alleged Bodnar told the woman, who was still breastfeeding, the eczema was caused by toxins, which needed to be eliminated.

The court was told the naturopath devised a raw food diet for the woman, before advising her to subsist solely off water and watermelon for three days.

When relatives expressed concern over the woman's weight loss, Bodnar allegedly told her she was "fat and needed to lose weight".

The court heard the naturopath also said the baby boy's weight loss was his body's way of eliminating toxins.

The baby boy became sick and when the mother told Bodnar her child was projectile vomiting, the naturopath allegedly said it was good because he was "deeply eliminating" the toxins.

The court heard the eight-month-old boy was "just days" away from death when his mother ultimately took him to Westmead Hospital in May 2015.

Upon arrival at the hospital he weighed just 6.4 kilograms, was severely malnourished and dehydrated, had sunken eyes, dangerously low sodium levels, and flexed hands and feet.

He was also developmentally delayed, showing the equivalent skills of a three-month-old.

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Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm
 
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.
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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.
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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?


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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?

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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.
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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.
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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.


Ask a Christian.  I'm not one and never have been.

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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:00pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.


Ask a Christian.  I'm not one and never have been.



I'm asking you your opinion of Christians, Gordy.

Don't you have an opinion?

You're not a Muslim either, but you seem to have an awful lot of opinions on them.

Why the reluctance to comment on Christianity, Gordy?

I'm curious.



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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:01pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.


Ask a Christian.  I'm not one and never have been.




You're not a naturopath either.
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Reply #11 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:04pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.


Ask a Christian.  I'm not one and never have been.




You're not a naturopath either.


I know 2 people who've been killed by them tho.

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Reply #12 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:05pm
 
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Naturopaths are idiots


There are plenty of rich idiots out there.
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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:06pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.


Ask a Christian.  I'm not one and never have been.




You're not a naturopath either.


Gordy:

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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:08pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:04pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 9:01pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:39pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.


Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.


Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?




Are they naturopaths?


Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?



This is a topic about naturopaths.  Open one about Christians ignore you'd like to ask a question about them.


You introduced the concept of "flawed and unscientific".

Don't back out now, Gordy - it's just getting interesting.

Christianity - like all religions - is flawed and unscientific.

So, according to your - and I'm being as generous as I can here - "logic", all Christians are idiots.

Are you now going back on your claim, or are you admitting you made a mistake.

I'm curious.


Ask a Christian.  I'm not one and never have been.




You're not a naturopath either.


I know 2 people who've been killed by them tho.



Two? Jesus!

Do you have any idea how many people are killed by traditional medicine every year?

Every day?

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