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Reply #30 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

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Reply #31 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:24am

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

bullsh1t ... if a doctor gave the same advice and the patient died he'd lose his license to practice and be sued for all he's worth.

It's up to the individual whether they take the advice or not.

A doctor can't make anyone do anything.

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Reply #32 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

bullsh1t ... if a doctor gave the same advice and the patient died he'd lose his license to practice and be sued for all he's worth.

It's up to the individual whether they take the advice or not.

A doctor can't make anyone do anything.

the level of influence they have over the patient, especially someone who thinks they're dying, makes that a moot point.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Naturopaths are idiots Reply #33 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:39am Even if the individual is guilty of following advice, if it was a doctor, there would be an investigation by the registration board and the doctors registration and ability to practice as a doctor taken away for dispensing this treatement. Does this occur for naturopaths?
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Reply #34 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:44am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

Even if the individual is guilty of following advice, if it was a doctor, there would be an investigation by the registration board and the doctors registration and ability to practice as a doctor taken away for dispensing this treatement.

Does this occur for naturopaths?

No.

They aren't doctors.

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Reply #35 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 8:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 8:39pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots. Conventional medical Doctors fail to cure patients all the time. On this occasion this naturopath may well be an idiot, but I know a few Doctors just as stupid, if I had of taken their advice I would probably be dead or severely crippled.

Yes there are bad doctors within the system, but the entire system of naturopathy is flawed and unscientific.
That's why anyone who follows it is an idiot.

Are all Christians idiots, Gordy?

Are they naturopaths?

Their system is flawed and unscientific.

Answer the question, Gordy: are all Christians idiots?

I'd say no ....but you're borderline. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:57am

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

bullsh1t ... if a doctor gave the same advice and the patient died he'd lose his license to practice and be sued for all he's worth.

It's up to the individual whether they take the advice or not.

A doctor can't make anyone do anything.

the level of influence they have over the patient, especially someone who thinks they're dying, makes that a moot point.

Exactly correct

Both Peccar & Mothra are playing at semantics

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Reply #37 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:01am

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

bullsh1t ... if a doctor gave the same advice and the patient died he'd lose his license to practice and be sued for all he's worth.

Naturopaths aren't doctors, though.

"Naturopathy is an unregulated profession in Australia and there are no legalities in claiming you are a naturopath when you do not have any qualifications."

If I gave you medical advice on a life threatening condition, would you:

a) take it?

b) think that I should be charged with something if you die?

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Reply #38 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

bullsh1t ... if a doctor gave the same advice and the patient died he'd lose his license to practice and be sued for all he's worth.

Naturopaths aren't doctors, though.

"Naturopathy is an unregulated profession in Australia and there are no legalities in claiming you are a naturopath when you do not have any qualifications."

If I gave you medical advice on a life threatening condition, would you:

a) take it?

b) think that I should be charged with something if you die?

No ... but you're not claiming you know how to treat someone

by hanging a shingle over a door & charging people for the privilege of your advice on their health issues.

So your questions are irrelevant.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75287 Gender:	Re: Naturopaths are idiots Reply #39 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:01am: If I gave you medical advice on a life threatening condition, would you: a) take it? b) think that I should be charged with something if you die? if you gave advice claiming you were some sort of professional, then you would be liable for that advice.
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Reply #40 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:18am

Gnads wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

mothra wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Moreover, why would you accuse naturopath's of killing them when it is abundantly clear that they did not?

semantics . If the naturopath advised the patient to not follow the doctors orders and the result led to their death, the naturopath may as well have killed them themselves

Nah.

It's advice, not an order.

bullsh1t ... if a doctor gave the same advice and the patient died he'd lose his license to practice and be sued for all he's worth.

Naturopaths aren't doctors, though.

"Naturopathy is an unregulated profession in Australia and there are no legalities in claiming you are a naturopath when you do not have any qualifications."

If I gave you medical advice on a life threatening condition, would you:

a) take it?

b) think that I should be charged with something if you die?

No ... but you're not claiming you know how to treat someone

by hanging a shingle over a door & charging people for the privilege of your advice on their health issues.

So your questions are irrelevant.

Repeat after me:

"Naturopathy is an unregulated profession in Australia and there are no legalities in claiming you are a naturopath when you do not have any qualifications."

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Re: Naturopaths are idiots
Reply #41 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:19am

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

If I gave you medical advice on a life threatening condition, would you:

a) take it?

b) think that I should be charged with something if you die?

if you gave advice claiming you were some sort of professional, then you would be liable for that advice.

Repeat after me:

"Naturopathy is an unregulated profession in Australia and there are no legalities in claiming you are a naturopath when you do not have any qualifications."

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Reply #42 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:36am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

Even if the individual is guilty of following advice, if it was a doctor, there would be an investigation by the registration board and the doctors registration and ability to practice as a doctor taken away for dispensing this treatement.

Does this occur for naturopaths?

No.

They aren't doctors.

So why not?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Naturopaths are idiots Reply #43 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:37am http://www.australiannaturaltherapistsassociation.com.au/therapies/naturopathy.php According to them they either act like they are regulated or want to be.
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Reply #44 - Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:40am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 16^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

Even if the individual is guilty of following advice, if it was a doctor, there would be an investigation by the registration board and the doctors registration and ability to practice as a doctor taken away for dispensing this treatement.

Does this occur for naturopaths?

No.

They aren't doctors.

So why not?

They haven't done the training.

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