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Aug 18th, 2016 at 2:23pm
 
Below is an article concerning the USA.

Ozpolitic denizen Valkie has "boasted" that he can't spell despite having two degrees, one in engineering and one in management (a dubious claim given that he also admits being semi-literate).

I wonder if a similar survey has been conducted in Australia.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/unreported-economic-decline-1-5-young-adults...

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Just check out these numbers from CBS News…

HALF OF AMERICAN MILLENNIALS SCORE BELOW THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF LITERACY PROFICIENCY. ONLY TWO COUNTRIES SCORED WORSE BY THAT MEASURE: ITALY (60 PERCENT) AND SPAIN (59 PERCENT). THE RESULTS WERE EVEN WORSE FOR NUMERACY, WITH ALMOST TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICAN MILLENNIALS FAILING TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR UNDERSTANDING AND WORKING WITH NUMBERS. THAT PLACED U.S. MILLENNIALS DEAD LAST FOR NUMERACY AMONG THE STUDY’S 22 DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.

In the old days, our institutions of higher learning had exceedingly high standards and they demanded the best from students.  Today, our system of higher education is a joke, and many of our best colleges are more focused on political correctness and “safe spaces” than they are on preparing our young people for the harsh realities of the real world…


Below is link to a full article on this subject:

http://themostimportantnews.com/archives/depressing-survey-results-show-how-extr...
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Re: Is lack of literacy and lack of numeracy growing?
Reply #1 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 2:33pm
 
Of course it is and has been for decades.
The digital age has exacerbated the trend by diminishing reading and providing props & shortcuts to written expression.
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Reply #2 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 4:36pm
 
While Australia is above average among OECD, UK is even worse. UK children are less literate than their grandparents.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/british-education-in-crisis-literacy-a...

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Young people in the UK lag behind most of the Western world in their mastering of the basic skills of literacy, numeracy and IT, according to an influential study published today.

The report, by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, shows there has been no improvement in performance in the basic between today's 16 to 24-year-olds and their grandparents' age (55 to 65-year-olds).

Indeed, they are the only ones in the western world to fare worse than their older peers in the tests in the basics.

The findings may have major implications for the UK's ability to compete in the global economy in future years - threatening it with a major skills shortage, according to the OECD's deputy director of education and skills and the coordinator of the project, Dr Andreas Schleicher.

They also put a question mark over the validity of improving exam results in the UK and lend credence to claims made by Education Secretary Michael Gove - among others - of grade inflation, particularly at GCSE level, over the past decades.

"Today's young people (in the UK) are not any better skilled than people in the older generation," Dr Schleicher said. "Young people in the UK are considerably behind their peers in other countries.

"One of the reasons why the older generation does reasonably well is that they keep learning and improving their skills - but young people in the UK lag quite a bit behind in basic skills."

The report concludes: "In England, adults aged 55 to 65 perform better than 16 to 24-year-olds in both literacy and numeracy. "In fact, England is the only country where the oldest age group has higher proficiency in both literacy and numeracy than the youngest age group after other factors, such as gender, socio-economic backgrounds and type occupations, are taken into account.

The figures show that, in England and Northern Ireland (the two parts of the UK to take part in the tests), 16 to 24-year-old scored  266 on average in the literacy test - putting them third from bottom in the 24 nation league table with only Spain and Italy behind them.  Japan topped the table with a score of 299.

In numeracy, the UK 16 to 24-year-olds scored 257 - putting them fourth from the bottom with Spain, Italy and the United States behind them.  The US was last.

The England/Northern Ireland figures for young people compared with an average score of 272 and 262 respectively when all 16 to 65-year-olds' scores were counted up.

In addition, a breakdown shows the UK now provides just four per cent of the highest flyers of all the countries taking the test compared with eight per cent of all 55 to 65-year-olds.

The figures were immediately seized upon by Conservatives as evidence that young people educated under the last Labour government were "amongst the least literate and numerate in the developed world".

Skills Minister Matthew Hancock said: "This shocking report show England has some of the least literate and numerate young adults in the developed world.  These are Labour's children, educated under a Labour government and force fed a diet of dumbing down and low expectations.

"We are fixing the problem with a more rigorous curriculum, better teaching, higher standards and tougher discipline."

Mike Harris, head of skills at the Institute of Directors, added: ""The OECD's report makes truly depressing reading.  It underlines the credibility gap between the picture painted by decades of rises in exam pass rates and employers' real-world experience of interviewing and employing people,

"Too frequently, impressive examination results seem to act as a false barometer of actual attainment and competence."

The report concluded:  "The implication for England and Northern Ireland is that the stock of skills available to them is bound to decline over the next decades ubless significant action is taken to improve the skills proficiency amongst young people."

The tests - in numeracy, literacy and IT skills - were carried out on 5,000 adults in each participating country and aimed to show how much use adults made of the skills they had learnt at school in the workplace.

They showed -as well - a starker link between people's performance and their backgrounds in England and Northern Ireland. Adults who had at least one parent involved in a university-level education scored 26.7 points higher in literacy than those with parents who did not pursue such qualifications.  This compared to an international average of 18 points difference between the two groups.  In numeracy, the figures were even more stark - a 31.1 point difference in the UK compared with 19.5 internationally.

"It is deeply worrying that our young people are no better skilled than their parents' generation," said Sally Hunt, general secretary of the University and College Union. "If we are to stay competitive in the global market we need a strong supply of highly-skilled workers...
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Re: Dumb+dumber = lack of literacy and numeracy grow?
Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:11pm
 
I would not say Spelling in itself, is an indication of Literacy, unless it is associated with tight grammar and the ability to commit ideas to concise paragraphs. I have known brilliant people who cannot spell for nuts.
There is something about the lack of activity in our Books Forum that might say something about contemporary Literacy.

When I did some college courses in the USA, I was surprised to find the females excelled at Math; the guys never got close to the girls' average grades.
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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:21pm
 
How is it ethnic Australians are getting degrees and they can't properly write, read and speak English??
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Reply #5 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
How is it ethnic Australians are getting degrees and they can't properly write, read and speak English??


Poms?
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Reply #6 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:33pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
How is it ethnic Australians are getting degrees and they can't properly write, read and speak English??


Poms?
Asians. Your people.
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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 6:53pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:33pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
How is it ethnic Australians are getting degrees and they can't properly write, read and speak English??


Poms?
Asians. Your people.


See below that Japan and Korea are above Australia in the 16-24 age group. Australia is falling behind.

If language consisted of four letter words only Australia would be at the top of the ranking.
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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 7:14pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 2:23pm:
Below is an article concerning the USA.

Ozpolitic denizen Valkie has "boasted" that he can't spell despite having two degrees, one in engineering and one in management (a dubious claim given that he also admits being semi-literate).

I wonder if a similar survey has been conducted in Australia.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/unreported-economic-decline-1-5-young-adults...

Quote:
Just check out these numbers from CBS News…

HALF OF AMERICAN MILLENNIALS SCORE BELOW THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF LITERACY PROFICIENCY. ONLY TWO COUNTRIES SCORED WORSE BY THAT MEASURE: ITALY (60 PERCENT) AND SPAIN (59 PERCENT). THE RESULTS WERE EVEN WORSE FOR NUMERACY, WITH ALMOST TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICAN MILLENNIALS FAILING TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR UNDERSTANDING AND WORKING WITH NUMBERS. THAT PLACED U.S. MILLENNIALS DEAD LAST FOR NUMERACY AMONG THE STUDY’S 22 DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.

In the old days, our institutions of higher learning had exceedingly high standards and they demanded the best from students.  Today, our system of higher education is a joke, and many of our best colleges are more focused on political correctness and “safe spaces” than they are on preparing our young people for the harsh realities of the real world…


Below is link to a full article on this subject:

http://themostimportantnews.com/archives/depressing-survey-results-show-how-extr...


I consider this a personal attack.
DUBIOUS?

I have nothing to prove, especially to the likes of a dead beat like you.

What is your qualification.
Mac burger technician?
KFC basting technician?

Or just another deadbeat?

Just because you can use spell check, does not make you superior, it simply advertises your inability to amount to anything worthwhile.

Casting doubt on another's qualifications when you are obviously incapable of any qualification other than troll, shows nothing more than your rude, bombastic, narcissistic and pragmatic ineptitude.

Please go and insert your totally empty cranium into you overly large sphincter.

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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 7:17pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:11pm:
I would not say Spelling in itself, is an indication of Literacy, unless it is associated with tight grammar and the ability to commit ideas to concise paragraphs. I have known brilliant people who cannot spell for nuts.
There is something about the lack of activity in our Books Forum that might say something about contemporary Literacy.

When I did some college courses in the USA, I was surprised to find the females excelled at Math; the guys never got close to the girls' average grades.


We have a books forum ?
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Reply #10 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 7:28pm
 
Ill bet unforgiven thinks Pythagoras is a kind of cocktail.

And Bournoulli's equation is a Maccas formula.

To him a centroid is a pokemon

and he would have as much chance at calculating the points of minimum deflection in a beam as he would getting from behind his computer and walking up two flights of stairs.

Why not try something simple, how about the area of a circle?
Perhaps the area of a sphere?
Now try calculating the length of expansion of a steel beam using the coefficient of linear expansion?

No?
How about calculating the number of gas cylinders that can be filled from a mass storage cylinder by using the atomic weights of the constituents?

Dear oh dear.

OK back to your expertise.

Is it weather, whether or wether?

Simple enough for you?
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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 10:47pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 18th, 2016 at 2:33pm:
Of course it is and has been for decades.
The digital age has exacerbated the trend by diminishing reading and providing props & shortcuts to written expression.


So much to do with the function of spelling and grammar check, we have become lazy to correcting ourselves. I normally left the language setting to "English (American)", during my essay writing, that it would motivate me to do my own review of my own writing. Did so much better on my essays, that way.
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Reply #12 - Aug 18th, 2016 at 10:53pm
 
[quote author=Valkie link=1471494197/10#10 date=1471512506]Ill bet unforgiven thinks Pythagoras is a kind of cocktail.

And Bournoulli's equation is a Maccas formula.
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and he would have as much chance at calculating the points of minimum deflection in a beam as he would getting from behind his computer and walking up two flights of stairs.

Why not try something simple, how about the area of a circle?
Perhaps the area of a sphere?
Now try calculating the length of expansion of a steel beam using the coefficient of linear expansion?

No?
How about calculating the [highlight]number of gas cylinders that can be filled from a mass storage cylinder by using the atomic weightsRe: Dumb+dumber = lack of literacy and numeracy grow?
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Valkie, you wear your ignorance as a badge of honor. You have boasted on Ozpolitic that you progressed through your career despite being bad at spelling. Furthermore you confessed you struggled with English and Math to the extent that you required remedial classes. You blamed your teachers for your own failures.

You score an F Valkie which is exactly what your teachers gave you:

1. If you are going to cite Bernoulli should at least know how to spell his name; clue: its not "Bournoulli"

2. You don't even have to calculate the points of minimum deflection of a beam because they are at the supports;

3. Area of a circle, surface area of a sphere and expansion of metals are simple high school math; I am going to trust that you don't screw those up because your great grand children could do that for you;

4. Calculating cylinder fills requires more information than just the atomic weights. No wonder you screwed that up.

5. Valkie; you are a wether; an emasculated old goat.
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Unforgiven wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 7:14pm:
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Valkie, you wear your ignorance as a badge of honor. You have boasted on Ozpolitic that you progressed through your career despite being bad at spelling. Furthermore you confessed you struggled with English and Math to the extent that you required remedial classes. You blamed your teachers for your own failures.

You score an F Valkie which is exactly what your teachers gave you:

1. If you are going to cite Bernoulli should at least know how to spell his name; clue: its not "Bournoulli"

2. You don't even have to calculate the points of minimum deflection of a beam because they are at the supports;

3. Area of a circle, surface area of a sphere and expansion of metals are simple high school math; I am going to trust that you don't screw those up because your great grand children could do that for you;

4. Calculating cylinder fills requires more information than just the atomic weights. No wonder you screwed that up.

5. Valkie; you are a wether; an emasculated old goat.



Sad little failure that you are, and you have the hide to insult me.

I have done more with my life, experienced more of life and been more in my life than you will ever even consider.

You have still not proven any qualification other than the use of a dictionary.

Have you ever been away from your computer?
Or has this most recent transmogrification from your other aliases still attempting to find some sort of reason for existence?
Yes you are a sad little man, continually changing names in a futile attempt to hide your previously failed identity.

I have nothing more to say to the likes of you other than,
Please get a life.
Get away from the keyboard, take a walk (if you aren't afraid of going into the real world).
Perhaps, if you really try hard, you may be able to even meet a girl (or boy if that is your bent)
Perhaps you may even eventually find that human interaction has some rewards.
Perhaps even you may find someone with whom you can talk and live other than by insulting and denigrating people on the internet.

Ta Ta Sad little man........I await your next identity.

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