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What is Obama's legacy, if anything?
Aug 29^th, 2016 at 3:15pm

Peace in the Middle East?

Nup. Despite his muslim roots & fanfare at the start of his first term, he has achieved nothing.
The Syrian war has flourished on his watch, as has IS. He has conceded nuclear capability to Iran. He has spurned Israel. Stable govts in various countries were replaced with anarchy while he stood by and applauded.

Obamacare?

Nup. From what I read it's falling apart at the seams and becoming unaffordable for the people it was supposed to help.

Trade policy?

Nup. If he manages to get the TPP passed in the lame duck session, which is a very slim chance, it will be a present to the global corporations and their elite champions. Clinton says she won't pass it but then she's lying for the election. In 2012 she said it was the "gold standard" for trade deals.

Political division?

Yep. His pursuit of a radical agenda has divided America more than I can ever remember. He has divided the people from those like the police put there to uphold the law. He has politicised the judiciary beyond belief.
As someone who proclaimed himself to be a healer he has been an absolute disaster.

What good has he done? Tell me.

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Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything?
Reply #1 - Aug 29^th, 2016 at 4:13pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Peace in the Middle East?

Nup. Despite his muslim roots & fanfare at the start of his first term, he has achieved nothing.
The Syrian war has flourished on his watch, as has IS. He has conceded nuclear capability to Iran. He has spurned Israel. Stable govts in various countries were replaced with anarchy while he stood by and applauded.

Obamacare?

Nup. From what I read it's falling apart at the seams and becoming unaffordable for the people it was supposed to help.

Trade policy?

Nup. If he manages to get the TPP passed in the lame duck session, which is a very slim chance, it will be a present to the global corporations and their elite champions. Clinton says she won't pass it but then she's lying for the election. In 2012 she said it was the "gold standard" for trade deals.

Political division?

Yep. His pursuit of a radical agenda has divided America more than I can ever remember. He has divided the people from those like the police put there to uphold the law. He has politicised the judiciary beyond belief.
As someone who proclaimed himself to be a healer he has been an absolute disaster.

What good has he done? Tell me.

He's exposed the nutcases for one. E.g. anyone who believes

1. He's Muslim
2. Not US born
3. Supports ISIS
4. Is going to take away everyones guns

Its made it much easier to view the intellectually challenged.

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Reply #2 - Aug 29^th, 2016 at 4:54pm

Obama got Osama. Well, if he hadn't, and Bin Laden was taken out during a Republican Presidency, you can bet they would be a lot louder than Obama in claiming the credit.

Universal Health Care in the USA. Obama will be remembered for finally making some progress. And those mingy conservative cocksuckers in Congress will say the United States of America cannot afford it, while they piss away trillions of dollars a year.

On Syria and Iraq, Obama will not be remembered well. The problem is that his policy is neither fish nor fowl. Commit or don't commit. Supporting the rebels on the promise they will by civilized when in power, is a foolish as Bush's. But no US Adminstration dares to withdraw from the ME, because they believe it will be seen as defeat. So Americans will continue to pour tax dollars down the drain and send their children off and hope they come back with both legs, and both eyes, for a cause that no one can define, and no one really likes.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74677 Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #3 - Aug 29^th, 2016 at 5:08pm What is Obama's legacy, if anything? He kept the republicans out of govt. for 8 years ....
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17692 Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #4 - Aug 29^th, 2016 at 5:50pm He lowered his golf handicap.
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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13649 Colorado Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #5 - Aug 30^th, 2016 at 3:22am More infactual and racist poo strewn together by Brietbart? Definitely.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #6 - Aug 31^st, 2016 at 12:37pm I think if Abu bin went out on Times Square today, climbed on the back of a truck and started shouting "Yes we can", most people would walk away.
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Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:10am

Even the former House majority leader Nancy Pelosi knows that Obama bears a lot of responsibility for the existence of IS.
A leaked memo sets out her views that the too rapid withdrawal of US troops from Iraq - all Obama's work - led to the foundation of IS and the capture from Iraqi military of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of US weapons.

This rush to leave was part of his legacy for peace in the ME.

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Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:31am

Division

Black hatred for the police

Decimation of the economy

Decimation of Health Service

Decimation of Border Control

The formation of ISIS

A considerable increase in black on black killings

Unemployment (especially blacks)

An increase in crime in general

Decimation of the military

Decimation of US world standing

I could go on, but certainly he's left much to be remembered by in the short term, but nothing at all to be proud of. The future will know him as the first black who f-up the USA, and that's all he'll leave to be remembered by.

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7113 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:33am What is his legacy? Worst failure since Jimmy Carter. Destroyed Race relations between Americans. He helped create so many jobs people need two and three to meet expenses.
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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13649 Colorado Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:47am At least he wasn't a Canadian, morty torty.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything? Reply #11 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:57am Scores of Hollywood celebrities have died during his two terms in office.
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Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything?
Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 9:32am

Marla wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 8:47am:

At least he wasn't a Canadian, morty torty.

That is true but all his real records are sealed. A Hawaiian birth certificate recorded by U. K. Lalee and a social security number from New England. A lifetime of school records no one can see because he spent a few million to keep them private.

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Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:33am

Did someone mention health reform as one of his great achievements?

MRC NewsBusters:
February: Investigators from the Government Accountability Office successfully defraud the ObamaCare system 11 out of 12 times.

No network evening news coverage

March: The Congressional Budget Office says that ObamaCare will cost $136 billion more than predicted a year ago. The CBO also revealed that 9 million fewer people will have work-based coverage under ObamaCare than if the law had never been enacted.

No network evening news coverage

April - May: 1 million less people have coverage during 2016 than was estimated, and 12 of 23 insurance nonprofit plans will not offer coverage this year.

During this time period, United Healthcare announced that it would pull out in all but a “handful of states.” It later announced it would be “dramatically scaling back its involvement” in ObamaCare, and pulled out of state exchanges in California.

Only CBS Evening News covered this, and only for 23 seconds on April 19

April: Premiums rise, deductibles spike as high as 76 percent in some states

No network evening news coverage

May 12: Federal judge says the President is illegally using federal money to pay for premium subsidies

No network evening news coverage

August: Aetna announced that it plans to back out of ObamaCare, after losing $300 million this year from individual coverage sold on the ObamaCare exchanges. Aetna and Humana join UnitedHealth in pulling out of ObamaCare.

Only CBS Evening News covered this, for 1 minute, 55 seconds on August 16

August: UnitedHealth Group, Health Care Service Corp, Highmark and Blue Cross & Blue Shield all report losses in the hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.

No network evening news coverage

(But don't worry, Hillary will fix all this in his third term)

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Re: What is Obama's legacy, if anything?
Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2016 at 11:54am

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:33am:

MRC NewsBusters:

Moving up in the world from Breitbart?

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2016 at 10:33am:

April - May: 1 million less people have coverage during 2016 than was estimated, and 12 of 23 insurance nonprofit plans will not offer coverage this year.

During this time period, United Healthcare announced that it would pull out in all but a “handful of states.” It later announced it would be “dramatically scaling back its involvement” in ObamaCare, and pulled out of state exchanges in California.

High-profile insurance companies in America are now in a mass exodus from the exchanges set up under the program popularly known as Obamacare that much is true.

It is also true that Obama’s bullshit signature domestic programs upon which NONE of them actually provided near-universal, high-quality health care for Americans are now limiting their coverage in large parts all over the god damn county leaving it to the for-profit private insurance companies to call all the shots when it comes to quality care and price.

It was a scam from the start. And if Obamie didn't do it, some asshat Rethuglicon would.

Now that America's major three private insurers: UnitedHealth, Humana and Aetna are pulling out porn star style from the Obamacare market on the claim of "falling profits" other insurance giants are in large part jumping Obama's sinking ship, leaving many Americans such as myself totally buggered with with just one or two plans to choose from.

Of course, those companies who choose to remain will bugger over Americans royal while they request and most likely be granted double-digit premium increases for their rotten services. Yes, higher premiums, higher out-of pocket costs, and narrower provider networks all thanks to pseudo-socialism that really flies under the flag of capitalism.

Grumpy Trumpy could only make it worse. So enough with the Goebbels nonsense. Sad

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