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Reply #45 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 4:33pm:
That's a good observation, Herb. If Trump makes the White House nothing he's promising will come to fruition.


Korrect. Correct.

Between the electioneering bluster and the actual execution of his promises there's a cosmic distance that needs to be traversed - with a thousand backroom bureaucrats militating against anything they think is a little excessive.

The US Presidency is not an autocracy.

Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 4:33pm:
This makes me curious. Why would people support a politician like that?


Like what?

Have you seen the documentaries on America's jails? Absolutely bulging with criminal gang members from Cuba and South America.

And then for how long should the Americans live in fear of a Muslim bomb or shooter at their local shopping centre? More Muslims means a bigger pool from which these nutters are incubated.




The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money and ultimately solve nothing. We know one thing: they create more crime.

This is another of Trump's failed policy ideas: his promise to get tougher on crime. How? More private prisons? More mandatory sentencing? More borrowed money?

How many more lives and families destroyed?

It's policies like these that have led to America's slow decline, and yet, these are the policies Trump turns to in his pledge to make America great again.

Note, not only is Trump promising massive tax cuts, he's making the biggest spending "committments" of any candidate since WWII. Costing his policy committments is laughable. Who would even know where to start?

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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Reply #46 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:58pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:27pm:
Trump met with the Mexican president last week. The prez told him that Mexico would not be paying for Trump's whacky wall idea. Sorry, Mr Trump, it's not happening.


Correction (check out ABC's Report), the Mexican President did not tell Trump he refuses to pay for the wall.....at any time during their meeting.....no, he said this well after Trump's departure, when Trump wasn't present to respond, & in Twitter of all places....just like a true 3rd rate banana republic's presidente he is, what a coward.  Roll Eyes


Now, Trump's Policy, as stated for all to see, on his website, completely relevant to THE WALL:

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall


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Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year.

There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

➤   On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

➤    On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

➤   On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).

➤  Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.

➤  Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.



Will, this brave twitterer, the esteemed el presidente of Mexico, put over $24 Billion a year of his Country's desperately needed income.....vital to his Country's survival........at risk?

Or will he fork over the $10+ billion one time payment for building the wall instead?

The smart money says he'll wiggle & squirm, kick, scream & shout, but in the end....when his tantrum subsides... he will pay the smaller amount because he has no real choice. Wink

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Reply #47 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:07pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money and ultimately solve nothing. We know one thing: they create more crime.

This is another of Trump's failed policy ideas: his promise to get tougher on crime. How?



Deport all the illegal aliens. Seriously clamp down on cartels and gangsters.

You sound like you want to bend over and spread it for the criminals because that's all you can/want/wish to do.

But that's just you.  Giving up the law abiding to the criminals is your idea of policy. It's a stupid idea.


Rule of law in a democracy means rule of law - not "how do you enforce the law? you mustn't/cannot/shouldn't enforce the law" and all the similar bleating coming from people like you.


It doesn't take a superhuman effort to not be a murderous, ruthless drug dealer, rapists, armed robber. Millions and millions of people are leading productive lives without needing to kill, rape and maim. The laws are there to protect them, not to excuse the bastards who are unwilling to lead peaceful and productive lives.


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Reply #48 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:07pm:
Seriously clamp down on cartels and gangsters.


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Reply #49 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:44pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money..... 


So........& America will build more. Americans rather support (and they do support) incarcerating those that break the law & commit crime....rather than waving a big stick, & back off at sentencing......they have mandatory sentences.... 3 Strikes Laws (committing 3 violent/serious crimes) & you're in for a long, long, long time...etc....etc.... Commit the crime, you do the time....& hard time it is too...no vacation resorts.

Jail, in America.....especially for the habitual offender........is not for rehabilitation......it's for punishment......full stop!

Care to share a bunk with Bubba,  Karnal?....a 300lb sweaty, black, rapist with aids who likes boys....maybe you too? 
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Gotta love ya Karnal.....you make statements, right out your ass, show us your proof, nope...just make those statements with no valid corroboration/links/proofs

So, please provide a link to your source proving this......  "....We know one thing: they create more crime......"

Karnal......you're a flat out Ⓑⓤⓛⓛ Ⓢⓗⓘⓣ artist of the highest degree!



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Re: Trump goes to Mexico
Reply #50 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:07pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money and ultimately solve nothing. We know one thing: they create more crime.

This is another of Trump's failed policy ideas: his promise to get tougher on crime. How?



Deport all the illegal aliens. Seriously clamp down on cartels and gangsters.

You sound like you want to bend over and spread it for the criminals because that's all you can/want/wish to do.

But that's just you.  Giving up the law abiding to the criminals is your idea of policy. It's a stupid idea.


Rule of law in a democracy means rule of law - not "how do you enforce the law? you mustn't/cannot/shouldn't enforce the law" and all the similar bleating coming from people like you.


It doesn't take a superhuman effort to not be a murderous, ruthless drug dealer, rapists, armed robber. Millions and millions of people are leading productive lives without needing to kill, rape and maim. The laws are there to protect them, not to excuse the bastards who are unwilling to lead peaceful and productive lives.




The jails are filled with street-level small-fries and people caught with a roach or crack pipe in their car. You've seen Cops, shurely.

In some counties, get caught three times and you cop a mandatory life sentence. The rule of law is meaningless when, in some parts of the US, over 50% of the population is in jail; all rounded up and jailed for minor drug offences.

The burden this places on families, welfare systems, foster carers and entire communities is massive, and utterly pointless. Children grow up without parents and the system repeats itself.

One of the biggest industries in the US now is jails. Once, a county's chamber of commerce would welcome a cannery or soft drink bottler. Today, they welcome prisons. Jails are a major cash cow. The US has a privatized gulag archipeligo - publicly-listed companies paid with taxpayer dollars - some at the top of the US corporate ladder, and all healthy political donors.

Some judges have shares in the companies, and juridictions have a huge interest in finding new prisoners to keep the jobs and the money coming in. In one county, a judge was found to be getting kickbacks from the local juvenile justice facility. He jailed kids for maximum sentences for next to nothing. One 15 year old boy had been caught on the street after dark: 18 months in jail.

Yes, dear boy, this is the rule of law, Amerikan-style. The business of Amerika is business.
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Re: Trump goes to Mexico
Reply #51 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:14pm
 
Panther wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money and ultimately solve nothing. We know one thing: they create more crime.


So........& America will build more.


Making Amerika great again, eh?
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Reply #52 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:38pm
 

Trump was invited to Mexico and went.

That IS significant
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Reply #53 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:46pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period.


Whoaaa ... not so fast! 'period' - my arse!  Grin

That America's jails are warehousing tens of thousands of immigrant ethnic swill from south of the border is not to be so easily dismissed.

Partly as a result of Trump having made mention of this criminal statistic, he was propelled by the American public into pole position. 

Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history.


Any other time in history was quite different to the America of today, and therefore has no statistical relevance whatsoever.

The only modern equivalent is Stalin's Gulags, Hitler's Extermination camps, and Mao's Labour Camp prisons, and these had literally millions more incarcerated than America's paltry few by comparison.

Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
Its failed war against drugs ...


It's so-called 'war on drugs' has always been hobbled and hampered by weak sentencing in which drug offenders are in and out of jails like they have a revolving door.

A genuine, no-nonsense 'war on drugs' is only happening in the Philippines where they are happy to use maximum force to get rid of this plague.

Trump can do exactly what New York mayor Rudy Giuliani did with his 'Broken Windows Zero Tolerance' policy that cleaned up New York's Times Square and the rest of the city.






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Reply #54 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:14pm:
Panther wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money and ultimately solve nothing. We know one thing: they create more crime.


So........& America will build more.


Making Amerika great again, eh?


That's your best?........Karnal, you're just a Ⓑⓤⓛⓛ Ⓢⓗⓘⓣ artist ...... a typical leftist, maggit faghit, that spews BS & you never prove anything you say .......no links, no source..... ......because it's all lies.....Karnal......you're nothing but a black tongued liar.

I'm putting you on ignore, you're not worth wasting time on......

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Reply #55 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:05pm
 
Panther wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:14pm:
Panther wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
The Amerikan jails are full - period. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world - higher than any empire at any time in history. Its failed war against drugs has incarcerated 1% of the US population - the population of a small country. Prisons alone cost the US hundreds of billions in borrowed money and ultimately solve nothing. We know one thing: they create more crime.


So........& America will build more.


Making Amerika great again, eh?


That's your best?........you're just a Ⓑⓤⓛⓛ Ⓢⓗⓘⓣ artist ...... a typical leftist, maggit faghit, that spews BS & you never prove anything you say .......no links, no source..... ......because it's all lies.....Karnal......you're nothing but a black tongued liar.

I'm putting you on ignore, you're not worth wasting time on......



Gee, an Amerikan Grendel.

Here's one for you, Frank. Maybe you can give him a bit of the old talking cure.
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Reply #56 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:08pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:46pm:
The only modern equivalent is Stalin's Gulags, Hitler's Extermination camps, and Mao's Labour Camp prisons, and these had literally millions more incarcerated than America's paltry few by comparison.



No, the US has more prisoners per capita than the height of Stalin's purges and Mao's Cultural Revolution. Their incarceration rate is unprecedented. Ask Panther.

I would, but he's got me on his ignore list.
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Reply #57 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:08pm
 
Trump wants to build the wall, send home the Mexican crimos and work out a humane process for the remaining Mexican illegals. Great policy Trump. That's enough to get Karnal wet.
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Reply #58 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:15pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:46pm:
.......Trump can do exactly what New York mayor Rudy Giuliani did with his 'Broken Windows Zero Tolerance' policy that cleaned up New York's Times Square and the rest of the city.



From what I've read, 42nd Street became like Disney Land ...... no pimps ..... no drugs ......no gun or knife robberies to speak of ....... no porno peep shows, but with the progressives in power there, it will eventually revert....
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Reply #59 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 9:16pm
 
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Trump can do exactly what New York mayor Rudy Giuliani did with his 'Broken Windows Zero Tolerance' policy that cleaned up New York's Times Square and the rest of the city.


Only it didn't. Gentrification and rising property prices cleaned up New York.

Do you know? That's one thing we can credit Trump for.
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