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Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:09am
 

    September 3 2016
    Canberra Times

Caught in an unemployment netherworld: too young to retire, too old to get a job



After 26 years of helping other people find a job, Ricci Bartels joined the unemployment queue.

That was five years ago and the former migrant resource centre manager is still unemployed and looking for work.


Ricci Bartels is part of an increasing number of welfare-dependent mature age Australians, unable to find work and at risk of living in poverty.   Sad

"I am no longer empathic to the plight of people who are poor or unemployed. I am living it. It is grotesque," Ms Bartels, 63, says.

"I was very well connected and well respected in the health and community services industry, which is growing. And I can't land a job.


"I am either over qualified or there is someone is recruited internally or a younger person is recruited externally."

New research from the Brotherhood of St Laurence has found that 40 per cent of recipients of employment services last year were mature age Australians who spent more than a year on income support.


It also found employment services are failing to help older Australians to find appropriate work, instead funnelling former managers and white collar workers into entry-level low-skilled and low-paid jobs including traffic controlling and supermarket packing.

Paying bills on a Newstart allowance of $523 per fortnight is a struggle for Ms Bartels who has been forced to live with family in Bosley Park because she is no longer able to afford to pay her rent.   Sad



"I always had a job and felt lucky I had a job I loved. I loved empowering people," Ms Bartels said.

"Now I've been cast aside as a dole bludger, a 'taxed-not'.

"You are really stigmatised and cast off into a netherland when you lose your job at a mature age".

The Brotherhood of St Laurence research has found that people over the age of 45 are increasingly caught between work and retirement – too old for ageist employers to hire and too young to retire. It reveals mature age people are increasingly dependent on employment services and welfare and at risk of living in poverty.

 

More than one in five people on the NewStart allowance for more than a year were over the age of 50, according to the researchers citing Department of Social Services labour market figures for March this year.

Dina Bowman from the Research and Policy Centre at the Brotherhood of St Laurence said it is difficult for mature-age job seekers to maintain their professional status.

"The typical pattern is a downward one with contract or casual work," she said.

Research from the Centre for Retirement Research at Boston College has also found older workers are finding employment in lower-paid and lower-skill service jobs in child care, taxi driving and retail.

Older Australians are lingering on the NewStart allowance for more than a year or two at the same time the Federal Government is proposing to raise the pension age to 70.

Employment services staff are often aged in their 20s or early 30s which the researchers said may contribute to unconscious bias, negative stereotypes and poor appreciation of the skills of older job-seekers.

Still saddled with a mortgage, family responsibilities or newly single without a home and enough money to retire on, a burgeoning number of people who lose their jobs after the age of 45 are at risk of entering old age in poverty. Unlike younger people, there are fewer second chances.

"People are expected to work longer but are being caught in this netherworld of unemployment," Dr Bowman said. "That's the key challenge, people are being expected to work longer."

"We have more older people as the baby boomers age and that's one of the reason they are seeking to increase pension eligibility to 70.   Sad

"If you are unemployed at 55 and you can't get back into work, that's a very long time to be unemployed and living in poverty because the NewStart allowance is so low.   Sad

   
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Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:15am
 
Yes sir Crook,
I know one guy - over 50 - who has an engineering degree & a teachers certificate
who lost his job - he was retrenched & it took him over a year
& 600 job applications to find work.
It's almost impossible to get work now.
This country must be in a recession.

By the way - Centerlink never gave him even one penny.
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Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:19am
 
Disgracefully true.

Too old to get a job but to young to retire.

Anyone who has had a recruitment consultant that looks like she is still in high school look at you, well you know exactly where you stand.

It is very difficult for people over 40 but past 50 become almost impossible let alone past 60.
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:20am
 
Yes Sir Bobby, and they want people to work till they are 70 years old.  Go figure.   Sad
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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:20am
 
i think at that age, you have to either buy your job or give up.
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:25am
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:20am:
i think at that age, you have to either buy your job or give up.



Yes - if you have the money you buy a Jim's mowing franchise
but in say  Test & Tag of electrical appliances etc & get work that way.
I met a guy over 60 & that was his only option.
He was making small money - enough to eat & pay his bills.
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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:37am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:19am:
Disgracefully true.

Too old to get a job but to young to retire.

Anyone who has had a recruitment consultant that looks like she is still in high school look at you, well you know exactly where you stand.

It is very difficult for people over 40 but past 50 become almost impossible let alone past 60.



Mehhh; depends on your skills and attitude.

I find it easier now in my 50's then I did in my late 20's during 'the recession we had to have'.


I move to the work rather than sit around and wait demanding someone give me a job where Im sitting. If one shows up great if it doesn't I move to the work. Age has less to do with getting work than attitude and ability.

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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:41am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:19am:
Disgracefully true.

Too old to get a job but to young to retire.

Anyone who has had a recruitment consultant that looks like she is still in high school look at you, well you know exactly where you stand.

It is very difficult for people over 40 but past 50 become almost impossible let alone past 60.



Mehhh; depends on your skills and attitude.

I find it easier now in my 50's then I did in my late 20's during 'the recession we had to have'.


I move to the work rather than sit around and wait demanding someone give me a job where Im sitting. If one shows up great if it doesn't I move to the work. Age has less to do with getting work than attitude and ability.




That's nonsense - in the 80's I could find a job in one week -
last time it took me 8 months.
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:47am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:41am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:19am:
Disgracefully true.

Too old to get a job but to young to retire.

Anyone who has had a recruitment consultant that looks like she is still in high school look at you, well you know exactly where you stand.

It is very difficult for people over 40 but past 50 become almost impossible let alone past 60.



Mehhh; depends on your skills and attitude.

I find it easier now in my 50's then I did in my late 20's during 'the recession we had to have'.


I move to the work rather than sit around and wait demanding someone give me a job where Im sitting. If one shows up great if it doesn't I move to the work. Age has less to do with getting work than attitude and ability.




That's nonsense - in the 80's I could find a job in one week -
last time it took me 8 months.



The 'recession we had to have' was in the 90's and yes I was fully employed during the 80's as well.


BTW did you move to the work or sit on your @rse demanding the work come to you, because one of those ways is not conducive to finding work quickly.

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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:49am
 
They don't call it a recession anymore, they call it an economy in transition.
Like it's got somewhere better to go.

The guy to whom C/link never paid a penny, surely they assessed him as having sufficient assets or didn't he apply?
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:58am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:49am:
They don't call it a recession anymore, they call it an economy in transition.
Like it's got somewhere better to go.

The guy to whom C/link never paid a penny, surely they assessed him as having sufficient assets or didn't he apply?




Centerlink has a book they use called

1001 reasons why we won't pay you a penny.

They used that book on him.

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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:59am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:47am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:41am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:19am:
Disgracefully true.

Too old to get a job but to young to retire.

Anyone who has had a recruitment consultant that looks like she is still in high school look at you, well you know exactly where you stand.

It is very difficult for people over 40 but past 50 become almost impossible let alone past 60.



Mehhh; depends on your skills and attitude.

I find it easier now in my 50's then I did in my late 20's during 'the recession we had to have'.


I move to the work rather than sit around and wait demanding someone give me a job where Im sitting. If one shows up great if it doesn't I move to the work. Age has less to do with getting work than attitude and ability.




That's nonsense - in the 80's I could find a job in one week -
last time it took me 8 months.



The 'recession we had to have' was in the 90's and yes I was fully employed during the 80's as well.


BTW did you move to the work or sit on your @rse demanding the work come to you, because one of those ways is not conducive to finding work quickly.




No - I didn't move - I stayed where I was.
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Reply #12 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:17am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:47am:
BTW did you move to the work or sit on your @rse demanding the work come to you, because one of those ways is not conducive to finding work quickly.



not always an option when you have dependent kids or a wife with her own career
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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:40am
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:17am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:47am:
BTW did you move to the work or sit on your @rse demanding the work come to you, because one of those ways is not conducive to finding work quickly.



not always an option when you have dependent kids or a wife with her own career



Then there they will stay, but do not complain about your situation if you are not willing to do something about it. I do and I work with a lot of people who also make the effort and that's what makes us employable in our 50s and 60s.

And we are talking about people in their 50s here, not a lot of those with kids in school, and if they have 30+ year old dependents at home, well more fool them.



Everyone can come up with an excuse for not doing something, socialist ideology is taught in every school in the country, but at some point we have to discard the poor bugger me mentality and get on with it.

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Reply #14 - Sep 3rd, 2016 at 8:42am
 

Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:59am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:47am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:41am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2016 at 7:19am:
Disgracefully true.

Too old to get a job but to young to retire.

Anyone who has had a recruitment consultant that looks like she is still in high school look at you, well you know exactly where you stand.

It is very difficult for people over 40 but past 50 become almost impossible let alone past 60.



Mehhh; depends on your skills and attitude.

I find it easier now in my 50's then I did in my late 20's during 'the recession we had to have'.


I move to the work rather than sit around and wait demanding someone give me a job where Im sitting. If one shows up great if it doesn't I move to the work. Age has less to do with getting work than attitude and ability.




That's nonsense - in the 80's I could find a job in one week -
last time it took me 8 months.



The 'recession we had to have' was in the 90's and yes I was fully employed during the 80's as well.


BTW did you move to the work or sit on your @rse demanding the work come to you, because one of those ways is not conducive to finding work quickly.




No - I didn't move - I stayed where I was.



And there you waited for 8 months - unemployed; this was your choice, no-one else's


Do not blame others for your choices.

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