Australian Politics Forum

kemal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 574
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #30 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

selfish

The "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.

In a word, "bullshit".

Quote:

There are 2 million to 3 million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived since the war began, but they are not considered refugees and they are not part of the UNHCR statistics. They are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. Even though, according to UNHCR officials, only in Saudi Arabia, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in September 2015.

The government of Saudi Arabia has stated that, since the Syrian conflict began in 2011, it has hosted 2.5 million refugees and has given permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of Syrians. According to Saudi officials, the kingdom „was keen to not deal with them as refugees, or to put them in refugee camps, to preserve their dignity and safety, and gave them complete freedom of movement.” Saudi Arabia also says it has given Syrians access to work, free medical care and education. Over 100,000 Syrian students were being educated in Saudi schools.

The United Arab Emirates also defended its response to the Syrian refugees crisis. According to a statement issued by the UAE government in September 2015, „the UAE has made it one of its foreign policy priorities to address this issue in a sustainable and humane fashion together with its regional and international partners”. The UAE government said it has provided residency permits to more than 100,000 Syrians who have entered the country since 2011, and that more than 242,000 Syrian nationals currently live in the country.

[Source]

What other lies are you going to tell us? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Your telling the lies or are ignorant of the truth. the article you put up is fictitious. Please check elsewhere and get back to us.

Many thanks.

"Nabil Othman, acting regional representative to the Gulf States at the UNHCR, said Saudi Arabia has accepted 500,000 Syrian refugees, but called them “Arab brothers and sisters in distress.”Dec 4, 2015"

And not for permanent resettlement.

Back to top

Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 41093

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #31 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm

kemal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

selfish

The "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.

In a word, "bullshit".

Quote:

There are 2 million to 3 million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived since the war began, but they are not considered refugees and they are not part of the UNHCR statistics. They are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. Even though, according to UNHCR officials, only in Saudi Arabia, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in September 2015.

The government of Saudi Arabia has stated that, since the Syrian conflict began in 2011, it has hosted 2.5 million refugees and has given permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of Syrians. According to Saudi officials, the kingdom „was keen to not deal with them as refugees, or to put them in refugee camps, to preserve their dignity and safety, and gave them complete freedom of movement.” Saudi Arabia also says it has given Syrians access to work, free medical care and education. Over 100,000 Syrian students were being educated in Saudi schools.

The United Arab Emirates also defended its response to the Syrian refugees crisis. According to a statement issued by the UAE government in September 2015, „the UAE has made it one of its foreign policy priorities to address this issue in a sustainable and humane fashion together with its regional and international partners”. The UAE government said it has provided residency permits to more than 100,000 Syrians who have entered the country since 2011, and that more than 242,000 Syrian nationals currently live in the country.

[Source]

What other lies are you going to tell us? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Your telling the lies or are ignorant of the truth. the article you put up is fictitious. Please check elsewhere and get back to us.

And why is the article "fictitious"?

Quote:

Many thanks.

"Nabil Othman, acting regional representative to the Gulf States at the UNHCR, said Saudi Arabia has accepted 500,000 Syrian refugees, but called them “Arab brothers and sisters in distress.”Dec 4, 2015"

And not for permanent resettlement.

Why should they? They are refugees. Perhaps they are following Australia's lead on accepting refugees? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Back to top

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45116
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #32 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Why should they? They are refugees. Perhaps they are following Australia's lead on accepting refugees? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's right, Brian, before Keating/Howard/Abbott the Arabs were the biggest permanent re-settlers of other Arab refugees, right?? They only changed to follow Australia's example because the idea of the ummah is really dependent on Australia's behaviour. And if Australia were to accept illegal boat arrivals and settled them permanently, the Gulf arabs and the Saudis will also start giving permanent settlement and citizenship to the Arabs.

Go on, roll your unfocused eyes and yawn. You must have been bullied at school and I can see why.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 41093

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #33 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:23pm

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Why should they? They are refugees. Perhaps they are following Australia's lead on accepting refugees? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's right, Brian, before Keating/Howard/Abbott the Arabs were the biggest permanent re-settlers of other Arab refugees, right?? They only changed to follow Australia's example because the idea of the ummah is really dependent on Australia's behaviour. And if Australia were to accept illegal boat arrivals and settled them permanently, the Gulf arabs and the Saudis will also start giving permanent settlement and citizenship to the Arabs.

Their ideas are their own, you appear to have missed the irony of you, an Australian, who champions the current government's policy on non-acceptance of refugees, lecturing another nation on not accepting refugees, Frank. Roll Eyes

Quote:

Go on, roll your unfocused eyes and yawn. You must have been bullied at school and I can see why.

Gee, you know my style... Roll Eyes

Back to top

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45116
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #34 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Why should they? They are refugees. Perhaps they are following Australia's lead on accepting refugees? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's right, Brian, before Keating/Howard/Abbott the Arabs were the biggest permanent re-settlers of other Arab refugees, right?? They only changed to follow Australia's example because the idea of the ummah is really dependent on Australia's behaviour. And if Australia were to accept illegal boat arrivals and settled them permanently, the Gulf arabs and the Saudis will also start giving permanent settlement and citizenship to the Arabs.

Their ideas are their own, you appear to have missed the irony of you, an Australian, who champions the current government's policy on non-acceptance of refugees, lecturing another nation on not accepting refugees, Frank. Roll Eyes

Quote:

Go on, roll your unfocused eyes and yawn. You must have been bullied at school and I can see why.

Gee, you know my style... Roll Eyes

Well, if their fellow Muslims are not good enough for them, we should follow their example. After all, THEY know Muslims better than even you do - and as we all know, that's saying something.

ANd we actually take more Muslims for permanent settlement than all the Gulf Arabs and Saudi put together.

It is a lot easier for a Muslim Arab refugee to become a Canadian or Australian subject of HRH Elizabeth II than to become a subject of King Muck of Araby or of any of the Gulf tinpot little potentates. They can be guest workers (ie semi-slaves) but that's the limit of Muslim solidarity.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 41093

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #35 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Why should they? They are refugees. Perhaps they are following Australia's lead on accepting refugees? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's right, Brian, before Keating/Howard/Abbott the Arabs were the biggest permanent re-settlers of other Arab refugees, right?? They only changed to follow Australia's example because the idea of the ummah is really dependent on Australia's behaviour. And if Australia were to accept illegal boat arrivals and settled them permanently, the Gulf arabs and the Saudis will also start giving permanent settlement and citizenship to the Arabs.

Their ideas are their own, you appear to have missed the irony of you, an Australian, who champions the current government's policy on non-acceptance of refugees, lecturing another nation on not accepting refugees, Frank. Roll Eyes

Quote:

Go on, roll your unfocused eyes and yawn. You must have been bullied at school and I can see why.

Gee, you know my style... Roll Eyes

Well, if their fellow Muslims are not good enough for them, we should follow their example. After all, THEY know Muslims better than even you do - and as we all know, that's saying something.

ANd we actually take more Muslims for permanent settlement than all the Gulf Arabs and Saudi put together.

It is a lot easier for a Muslim Arab refugee to become a Canadian or Australian subject of HRH Elizabeth II than to become a subject of King Muck of Araby or of any of the Gulf tinpot little potentates. They can be guest workers (ie semi-slaves) but that's the limit of Muslim solidarity.

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Back to top

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21652
A cat with a view

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #36 - Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:53pm

Frank wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Well, if their fellow Muslims are not good enough for them, we should follow their example.

After all, THEY know Muslims better than even you do - and as we all know, that's saying something.

That is a very good argument, Frank .

Logically, it would appear that moslems themselves, do not particularly like fellow moslems [who are strangers].

They certainly show a reluctance to allow other fellow moslems, to come to live with them [to be absorbed], in their lands and society.

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

moses

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6353

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #37 - Nov 18^th, 2016 at 4:39pm

Is it Muslim or Moslem?

When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted,"Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies,"Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word." But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means"one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means"one who is evil and unjust" when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z.

For others, this spelling differentiation is merely a linguistic matter, with the two spellings a result of variation in transliteration methods. Both Moslem and Muslim are used as nouns. But some writers use Moslem when the word is employed as an adjective.

Journalists switched to Muslim from Moslem in recent years under pressure from Islamic groups. But the use of the word Moslem has not entirely ceased. Established institutions which used the older form of the name have been reluctant to change. The American Moslem Foundation is still the American Moslem Foundation (much as the NAACP is still the NAACP--the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). The journal The Moslem World--published by the Hartford Seminary in Connecticut--is still The Moslem World. -

source

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45116
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #38 - Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21652
A cat with a view

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #39 - Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:54pm

moses wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

Is it Muslim or Moslem?

When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted,"Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies,"Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word." But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means"one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means"one who is evil and unjust" when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z.

For others, this spelling differentiation is merely a linguistic matter, with the two spellings a result of variation in transliteration methods. Both Moslem and Muslim are used as nouns. But some writers use Moslem when the word is employed as an adjective.

Journalists switched to Muslim from Moslem in recent years under pressure from Islamic groups. But the use of the word Moslem has not entirely ceased. Established institutions which used the older form of the name have been reluctant to change. The American Moslem Foundation is still the American Moslem Foundation (much as the NAACP is still the NAACP--the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). The journal The Moslem World--published by the Hartford Seminary in Connecticut--is still The Moslem World. -

source

A little more here moses.....

Muslim or Moslem?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1468499918/0#0

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

kemal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 574
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #40 - Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 5:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

kemal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:17am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

selfish

The "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.

In a word, "bullshit".

Quote:

There are 2 million to 3 million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived since the war began, but they are not considered refugees and they are not part of the UNHCR statistics. They are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. Even though, according to UNHCR officials, only in Saudi Arabia, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in September 2015.

The government of Saudi Arabia has stated that, since the Syrian conflict began in 2011, it has hosted 2.5 million refugees and has given permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of Syrians. According to Saudi officials, the kingdom „was keen to not deal with them as refugees, or to put them in refugee camps, to preserve their dignity and safety, and gave them complete freedom of movement.” Saudi Arabia also says it has given Syrians access to work, free medical care and education. Over 100,000 Syrian students were being educated in Saudi schools.

The United Arab Emirates also defended its response to the Syrian refugees crisis. According to a statement issued by the UAE government in September 2015, „the UAE has made it one of its foreign policy priorities to address this issue in a sustainable and humane fashion together with its regional and international partners”. The UAE government said it has provided residency permits to more than 100,000 Syrians who have entered the country since 2011, and that more than 242,000 Syrian nationals currently live in the country.

[Source]

What other lies are you going to tell us? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Your telling the lies or are ignorant of the truth. the article you put up is fictitious. Please check elsewhere and get back to us.

And why is the article "fictitious"?

Quote:

Many thanks.

"Nabil Othman, acting regional representative to the Gulf States at the UNHCR, said Saudi Arabia has accepted 500,000 Syrian refugees, but called them “Arab brothers and sisters in distress.”Dec 4, 2015"

And not for permanent resettlement.

Why should they? They are refugees. Perhaps they are following Australia's lead on accepting refugees? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Saudi Arabia does not accept refugees Brian. Full stop. Plus exclamation mark!

As a Muslim you are allowed to park your arse in the pristine central cesspool of Islam,Saudi Arabia, but you are not allowed to live their as a permanent resident. Just like Indonesia.

Please keep up Brian as Islam is not very nice regarding tolerance.

Back to top

Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95395 Gender:	Re: Define ISLAM Reply #41 - Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 8:19pm There you go, Brian. Not even irrefutable evidence convinces Matty and the old boy. This is a new era. The Enlightenment is dead. Truth, reason, facts - irrelevant. We have entered the new Dark Ages. O brave new world with such marvellous things in it, no?
Back to top	IP Logged

Brian Ross

Gold Member

Offline

Representative of me

Posts: 41093

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #42 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:22pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 8:19pm:

There you go, Brian. Not even irrefutable evidence convinces Matty and the old boy.

This is a new era. The Enlightenment is dead. Truth, reason, facts - irrelevant. We have entered the new Dark Ages.

O brave new world with such marvellous things in it, no?

I believe that Matty and the old boy need to read a little more widely? They might discover the reality, rather than their Islamophobic delusions? Or would that be too difficult for them? Of course it would! We can't expect their delusions to be shaken, now can we? Of course not! Tsk, tsk, how silly of me to suggest such a thing. Next they'll be claiming that Donald Trump won the popular vote in the recent US election! Roll Eyes

Back to top

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95395
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #43 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 8:19pm:

There you go, Brian. Not even irrefutable evidence convinces Matty and the old boy.

This is a new era. The Enlightenment is dead. Truth, reason, facts - irrelevant. We have entered the new Dark Ages.

O brave new world with such marvellous things in it, no?

I believe that Matty and the old boy need to read a little more widely?

Alas, Brian, that would require reading.

No, I think the best path of action is to make stuff up and call people who query it stupid and mendacious.

Sore End used to call this intelligence and integrity. I do wonder where he went. We all miss him here.

Matty never goes anywhere. He just makes up a new sock each week. Sore End, however, would never do something so cunning.

He's a Lacanian, you see.

Back to top

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45116
Gender: male

Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #44 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged