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Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #45 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

They're not facts, dear boy, because they aren't true. The Gulf states and Saudis are not sigatories to the UNHCR, which is what you mean by "permanently settled": permanently settled by the UNHCR.

As Brain's article pointed out, the Gulf states have a number of permanently settled refugees. Would you care to correct your "facts", or would you prefer to stay, as the old boy used to say, stupid and mendacious?

Tsk tsk tsk.

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Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #46 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:15pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

They're not facts, dear boy, because they aren't true. The Gulf states and Saudis are not sigatories to the UNHCR, which is what you mean by "permanently settled": permanently settled by the UNHCR.

As Brain's article pointed out, the Gulf states have a number of permanently settled refugees. Would you care to correct your "facts", or would you prefer to stay, as the old boy used to say, stupid and mendacious?

Tsk tsk tsk.

Roll Eyes

Are they getting Saudi passports?

No.

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Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #47 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

They're not facts, dear boy, because they aren't true. The Gulf states and Saudis are not sigatories to the UNHCR, which is what you mean by "permanently settled": permanently settled by the UNHCR.

As Brain's article pointed out, the Gulf states have a number of permanently settled refugees. Would you care to correct your "facts", or would you prefer to stay, as the old boy used to say, stupid and mendacious?

Tsk tsk tsk.

Roll Eyes

Are they getting Saudi passports?

No.

Do refugees get Australian passports, old chap?

I'm curious. You should know the answer to this one.

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Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #48 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 7:39pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

They're not facts, dear boy, because they aren't true. The Gulf states and Saudis are not sigatories to the UNHCR, which is what you mean by "permanently settled": permanently settled by the UNHCR.

As Brain's article pointed out, the Gulf states have a number of permanently settled refugees. Would you care to correct your "facts", or would you prefer to stay, as the old boy used to say, stupid and mendacious?

Tsk tsk tsk.

Roll Eyes

Are they getting Saudi passports?

No.

Do refugees get Australian passports, old chap?

I'm curious. You should know the answer to this one.

When they are given PR they can get citizenship after 3 years. Then they can get a passport.

Not happening in Saudi or the Gulf states. It's easier for Muslim Arabs to become the subjects of EIIR in the UK, Canada, Australia or NZ than of the potentates of Saudi and the Gulf Arab sheikhdoms.

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Re: Define ISLAM
Reply #49 - Nov 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

They're not facts, dear boy, because they aren't true. The Gulf states and Saudis are not sigatories to the UNHCR, which is what you mean by "permanently settled": permanently settled by the UNHCR.

As Brain's article pointed out, the Gulf states have a number of permanently settled refugees. Would you care to correct your "facts", or would you prefer to stay, as the old boy used to say, stupid and mendacious?

Tsk tsk tsk.

Roll Eyes

Are they getting Saudi passports?

No.

Do refugees get Australian passports, old chap?

I'm curious. You should know the answer to this one.

When they are given PR they can get citizenship after 3 years. Then they can get a passport.

Becoming citizens, did you say? I thought we were talking about permanent settlement.

I'm afraid you'll have to explain this one, old boy.

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kemal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 574 Gender:	Re: Define ISLAM Reply #50 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:32pm Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2016 at 1:50pm: Islam That Brian is an opinion, NOT a definition! And if its your opinion its not worth a brass razoo!!!! and just in case you missed it Mr Thicko
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Reply #51 - Nov 28^th, 2016 at 3:30pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 18^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 17^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

*YAWN*. 2-3 million tops 12,000, Frank. Roll Eyes

Thank you for remaining an insufferable, uncomprehending fool. Australia permanently resettles 12,000 more than the gulf Arabs and the Saudis. They only give them temporary residence. No option for permanence, no option for citizenship.

And you know that full well but you are just one more lying dishonest little spineless, squishy apologist, a shill even for the House of Saud. You are a totally immoral man, Brian.

Hey, Brian, you have forgotten to roll your eyes at these facts.

They're not facts, dear boy, because they aren't true. The Gulf states and Saudis are not sigatories to the UNHCR, which is what you mean by "permanently settled": permanently settled by the UNHCR.

As Brain's article pointed out, the Gulf states have a number of permanently settled refugees. Would you care to correct your "facts", or would you prefer to stay, as the old boy used to say, stupid and mendacious?

Tsk tsk tsk.

Roll Eyes

Crap as usual.

It is a country that settles people, not the UNHCR or anyone else.

Whether you are a signatory or not is irrelevant. If you wanted to settle your bothers and sisters you would, you don't need the UN to give you permission. You'd settle them, you'd give them a pathway to citizenship. This is not an option with the Gulf Arabs and the Saudis.

They are not even listed by the UN as resettlement countries:

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?OBJID=885676000000641644&STANDALONE...

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41093	Re: Define ISLAM Reply #52 - Nov 28^th, 2016 at 4:24pm kemal wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 24^th, 2016 at 1:50pm: Islam That Brian is an opinion, NOT a definition! And if its your opinion its not worth a brass razoo!!!! and just in case you missed it Mr Thicko
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Reply #53 - Nov 28^th, 2016 at 4:37pm

Thailand's not a resettlement country either, old boy. And yet, it's taken in refugees for years. The Chinese revolution, the Vietnam war, Pot Pot, Burma - it even turns a blind eye to Cambodian wetbacks.

Developed countries who need to top up their populations have formal processes. You know, as the Statue of Liberty says, give us your poor, your tired and your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

Developing countries are the source of the world's labour. Developed countries are its destination. This is how the world works. Thailand turns a blind eye to cheap labour from Myanmar and Cambodia because it's now a manufacturing economy. It has jobs it needs to fill.

The Saudis have no such economy. They have a lot of space, but most of it's desert. And in spite of this, the Saudis do take in refugees. The Saudis do settle them. They might be complete bastards, but cities like Riyadh settle Muslims from all over the place.

Citizenship is an entirely different discussion, as every schoolboy knows. The Muslim world takes in the majority of Muslim refugees. Only a fraction make it to Europe or Australia, or even the UNHCR. Pakistan alone has millions. Turkey and Lebanon take in the bulk of the Syrians. And as Brain has shown, the Gulf states take in plenty themselves - far more than us.

You should be happy. This is what you've been calling for for years. If you weren't so mendacious, you'd acknowledge this. But then, you never did rule out the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman, now did you?

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Reply #54 - Nov 29^th, 2016 at 2:56pm

Amnesty International 3 February 2016

Syria's refugee crisis in numbers

Key facts:
1/.Gulf countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.

2/.Other high income countries including Russia, Japan, Singapore and South Korea have also offered zero resettlement places.

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Reply #55 - Nov 29^th, 2016 at 4:54pm

moses wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

Amnesty International 3 February 2016

Syria's refugee crisis in numbers

Key facts:
1/.Gulf countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees.

2/.Other high income countries including Russia, Japan, Singapore and South Korea have also offered zero resettlement places.

Through the UNHCR, you mean?

Quote:

Sources: UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR), Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), International Organization of Migration (IOM)

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Reply #56 - Nov 29^th, 2016 at 5:34pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 28^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Thailand's not a resettlement country either, old boy. And yet, it's taken in refugees for years. The Chinese revolution, the Vietnam war, Pot Pot, Burma - it even turns a blind eye to Cambodian wetbacks.

Developed countries who need to top up their populations have formal processes. You know, as the Statue of Liberty says, give us your poor, your tired and your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

Developing countries are the source of the world's labour. Developed countries are its destination. This is how the world works. Thailand turns a blind eye to cheap labour from Myanmar and Cambodia because it's now a manufacturing economy. It has jobs it needs to fill.

The Saudis have no such economy. They have a lot of space, but most of it's desert. And in spite of this, the Saudis do take in refugees. The Saudis do settle them. They might be complete bastards, but cities like Riyadh settle Muslims from all over the place.

Citizenship is an entirely different discussion, as every schoolboy knows. The Muslim world takes in the majority of Muslim refugees. Only a fraction make it to Europe or Australia, or even the UNHCR. Pakistan alone has millions. Turkey and Lebanon take in the bulk of the Syrians. And as Brain has shown, the Gulf states take in plenty themselves - far more than us.

You should be happy. This is what you've been calling for for years. If you weren't so mendacious, you'd acknowledge this. But then, you never did rule out the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman, now did you?

None of this explains why anyone should accept illegal immigrants. Especially not why the developed world should accept undocumented illegal immigrants. Nor why the Arabs, especially the rich Arabs, don't properly settle their fellow Muslims but instead take them in only to exploit them mercilessly and deny them any future permanence.

Should the West do exactly as the rich Arabs do you would be outraged - yet here you defend them on spurious grounds, muddying the waters as always.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41093	Re: Define ISLAM Reply #57 - Nov 29^th, 2016 at 5:57pm Frank wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 5:34pm: None of this explains why anyone should accept illegal immigrants. How many times do you need to be told? It is NOT "illegal" to seek Asylum upon crossing a nation's borders. An Asylum Seeker is not an "illegal immigrant" until their request for Asylum has been refused.
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Reply #59 - Nov 29^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 29^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

Define Islam- Islam is a religion which controls every part of a followers existence 24/7. Total control over every waking minute. Not healthy Jan!!!

Strange. How come it doesn't control all those rapists, murderers, shonky tree-loppers and coke dealers you keeping frothing about?

Thoughts?

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