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Reply #15 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:55pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 1:21pm:

Raven wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Is it racist for a white person to call another white person white?

Yes - but only if that honky has a complex about being white, and therefore takes offence at being called white.

For reasons as yet unknown, blacks being called 'blacks' by white guys is taken as an insult, whereas whites being called 'whites' by blacks, is not taken as an insult.

Go figure.

Aborigines being called 'Abos' for short is taken as an insult.

Look at the history of the word to see how it has been used as an insult in the past, Herbie. As much as you prefer to offend people through your use of language, it is still offensive to use that word. I was raised to know that it was offensive and I am sure you learnt it was offensive after your arrival in Australia but you still use it to be what? Gee, "offensive" comes to mind... Roll Eyes

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Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source
Reply #16 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 1:43pm:

Herb, how offended are you at being called a 'pom'? Other terms like this are 'yankee', 'kiwi' and 'limey'. Not a lot of offence there. 'Abo' (short for Aboriginal) and 'Lezzo' (short for lesbian)-"Look out! Here comes a Vesuvius of confected outrage!!!

"Confected" or realistic? The words were used as insults, people remember they were used as insults, therefore they are insults. QED. Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Look at the history of the word to see how it has been used as an insult in the past, Herbie. As much as you prefer to offend people through your use of language, it is still offensive to use that word. I was raised to know that it was offensive and I am sure you learnt it was offensive after your arrival in Australia but you still use it to be what? Gee, "offensive" comes to mind... Roll Eyes

Being dyslexic I have trouble spelling aboriginees/ aboriganees / Abbarigenies / aborigenies / etc etc.

Aboriginal Australians = 21 letters

Abos = 4 letters

African Americans = 16 letters

Blacks = 6 letters

Person of Mediterranean appearance = 31 letters

A wog = 4 letters

etc etc Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source Reply #18 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:14pm Nominee for the award for contributions to confected outrage...(drumroll)...BWIAN!!! (no no no B R I A N!)
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Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source
Reply #19 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:32pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Look at the history of the word to see how it has been used as an insult in the past, Herbie. As much as you prefer to offend people through your use of language, it is still offensive to use that word. I was raised to know that it was offensive and I am sure you learnt it was offensive after your arrival in Australia but you still use it to be what? Gee, "offensive" comes to mind... Roll Eyes

Being dyslexic I have trouble spelling aboriginees/ aboriganees / Abbarigenies / aborigenies / etc etc.

Aboriginal Australians = 21 letters

Abos = 4 letters

African Americans = 16 letters

Blacks = 6 letters

Person of Mediterranean appearance = 31 letters

A wog = 4 letters

etc etc Roll Eyes

Still being offensive. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source
Reply #20 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Look at the history of the word to see how it has been used as an insult in the past, Herbie. As much as you prefer to offend people through your use of language, it is still offensive to use that word. I was raised to know that it was offensive and I am sure you learnt it was offensive after your arrival in Australia but you still use it to be what? Gee, "offensive" comes to mind... Roll Eyes

Being dyslexic I have trouble spelling aboriginees/ aboriganees / Abbarigenies / aborigenies / etc etc.

Aboriginal Australians = 21 letters

Abos = 4 letters

African Americans = 16 letters

Blacks = 6 letters

Person of Mediterranean appearance = 31 letters

A wog = 4 letters

etc etc Roll Eyes

Still being offensive. Roll Eyes

Blacks is offensive?? How?

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Reply #21 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Look at the history of the word to see how it has been used as an insult in the past, Herbie. As much as you prefer to offend people through your use of language, it is still offensive to use that word. I was raised to know that it was offensive and I am sure you learnt it was offensive after your arrival in Australia but you still use it to be what? Gee, "offensive" comes to mind... Roll Eyes

Being dyslexic I have trouble spelling aboriginees/ aboriganees / Abbarigenies / aborigenies / etc etc.

Aboriginal Australians = 21 letters

Abos = 4 letters

African Americans = 16 letters

Blacks = 6 letters

Person of Mediterranean appearance = 31 letters

A wog = 4 letters

etc etc Roll Eyes

Still being offensive. Roll Eyes

Blacks is offensive?? How?

Didn't claim it was. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #22 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:48pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 12:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 1:42pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 1:04pm:

The basis of this complaint is to expose how ridiculous this 18C law is. It has the 'progressives' in fits because if they deny his right to complain they are showing that it is indeed only a vehicle for enforcing discrimination against white people, and if it goes through the foolishness of the whole system is exposed for all to see.

A lose/lose for the self loathing white activists and their fellow travellers. Grin

What an interesting analysis. Belgarion. OK, here's a question - without 18c, how does one get held responsible for the offence that one's comments can cause? Roll Eyes

If a comment is libelous or defaming there are laws already in place to deal with it, however there is no 'right' not to be offended.

Yet you appear to be "offended" continually by criticism of the PHONies and their policies, Belgarion... Roll Eyes

Have I ever called for the silencing of those opposed to Hanson, or anyone else I disagree with? Whatever my opinion of a particular point of view, I do not demand it be silenced, unlike the self proclaimed defenders of all that is good and just. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:53pm:

18C does not prevent you from expressing an opinion, Belgarion. It is the offence suffered by the complainant and the subsequent court action that punishes you for making that statement. Indeed, there are provisions under 18C which protect free speech:

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RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C
Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin

         (1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

                  (a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

                  (b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note:       Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

         (2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

                  (a) causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

                  (b) is done in a public place; or

                  (c) is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

         (3) In this section:

"public place " includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place.

It is the offence suffered by the complainant and the subsequent court action that punishes you for making that statement.

Free speech is OK as long as no one takes offence. Do you not see the contradiction there?

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Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source
Reply #24 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:53pm

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 2:48pm:

Yet you appear to be "offended" continually by criticism of the PHONies and their policies, Belgarion... Roll Eyes

Have I ever called for the silencing of those opposed to Hanson, or anyone else I disagree with? Whatever my opinion of a particular point of view, I do not demand it be silenced, unlike the self proclaimed defenders of all that is good and just. Roll Eyes

However, that was not the point I was making, now was it, Belgarion?

Have you not been "offended" by attacks on Pauline Hanson and the PHONies? YES/NO

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Reply #25 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:55pm

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Free speech is OK as long as no one takes offence. Do you not see the contradiction there?

Are you allowed to shout, "Fire! Fire!" in a crowded cinema? YES/NO

There have always been limits on "Freedom of Speech". One only has to look at the video from the US "Black Lives Matter" protests to see the Police proving that... Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 5:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 4:09pm:

Free speech is OK as long as no one takes offence. Do you not see the contradiction there?

Are you allowed to shout, "Fire! Fire!" in a crowded cinema? YES/NO

There have always been limits on "Freedom of Speech". One only has to look at the video from the US "Black Lives Matter" protests to see the Police proving that... Roll Eyes

People need to toughen up a bit. How many people on here have been called something in their lives?- everybody. Australia is turning into a country of pussies.

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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source Reply #27 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 5:43pm Some people just have a victim mentality and dollar signs in their eyes in the hope of compensation.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source Reply #28 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 5:44pm Black Orchid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 5:43pm: Some people just have a victim mentality and dollar signs in their eyes in the hope of compensation. Particularly minorities.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: 18c in action from an unexpected source Reply #29 - Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 6:10pm Brian Ross wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2016 at 3:32pm: Still being offensive. Is 'Pom' an offensive term?
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