Panther wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

what side of the moral aisle does the presidential order stand to use nuclear weapons within a current war zone?

Panther wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Exactly.

Clearly that worries the likes of Michael Hayden contemplating the specter of a Trump Presidency.

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:


This is not the popular will. It's a distraction created by a certain class of elites and spread through their media.

Hysteria over race is an easy fallback option, but it masks the very real issues that have hit the Western world since the GFC, or the "Great Recession" as it's known in the US.

The "Establishment" response to this economic crisis was to bail out the banks rather than people's home loans. As real wages dropped, corporate salaries soared. As corporate taxes dropped, income taxes remained the same. People lost their homes, jobs and credit worthiness while people like Trump paid no tax at all.

What's the response? A refugee "crisis". A Mexican wall. A terror "threat". For some, it works every time. It worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, the Deep South, and it seems to work all over the world when times get tough and the pinch is on. There will always be people to exploit fear and race hate, and they will always be used by your "Establishment" to distract and divert.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is much harder to show the causes of economic inequality than it is to find a figure to blame. Immigration has kept our economies going. In the developed world, we don't have the population to ensure the economic growth we've become used to. It's hard to show how good terms of trade keep the prices of goods down or make credit easily available. It's hard to show how an increasing population creates the demand that stimulates economies and how this translates into decent returns on investment through compound interest. The term compound interest is inherently boring. Try putting it on a chart and showing an old boy. Impossible.

Instead, put on a show like Cops or Border Security and show the underclass rampaging on our streets and foreigners trying to get one over us. Put dodgy tinted scammers on current affairs TV and Musel daily madness on the tabloid front pages.

While those in the know try to ignore the porkies and distortions - your "Establishment"; those who have countries to run and things to manage and do - people like Farange and Wilders and Our Pauline rise up to exploit them. If someone like Turnbull comes out to say how Australia has been made far better because of immigration - almost 50% of us are immigrants or the children of immigrants ourselves - those like Herbie, Bogie, Sprint and your good self rail against it, despite all of you being immigrants too.

How do you reason with such delusion? How do you deal with it? For every false statistic or fact you address, there's ten more porkies appearing, and another ten, and another.

Take Brexit. A majority of Poms voted to pull out of Europe based largely on recent terror attacks in France and Brussels - attacks carried out by Arab and African refugees. A majority voted to pull out because they feared the presence of refugees from the continent, coming up from Africa and into Britain via the channel tunnel.

But these refugees can't legally get into Britain anyway. Britain is not part of the Schengen agreement that removed European borders. In effect, England has had to watch its economy crumble based on an unrebutted lie. Why?

Try making the Schengen Agreement sound interesting. I mean, theoretically I guess you could, but try putting it on the front page of the Sun or UK Daily Mail. The tabloids are in on it, and not so much because they like telling fibs, but they just make for an easier and more compelling read.

Just watch. Before long, the tabloids will come up with a way to blame the state of the UK economy on the tinted races. You'll even make this case yourself. The more delusional the argument is, the more it gets parroted. Look at Trump - he can spread the most ridiculous porkies, and even if they can be caught up with and disputed, you'll be busy quoting the next one, and the next. You're doing it already, pretending a media-hyped billionaire is a victim of the media and a man of the people.

You never listen. When it all comes crashing down, as it inevitably does, you'll forgive and move on and, inexplicably, forget. You forget your stance on Iraq, one minute baying for Muslim blood and jerking off to the war footage, and only 3 years later, acknowledging it was a war that could never be won and should never have been started to begin with. Homo's even blaming Hillary Clinton - for a war he loved at the time because it put Iraqis in their place.

You know, 200,000 men, women and children killed for their complicity in Sept 11. That'll show them. And now?

Hillary's a warmonger. 

There is no way to confront such hypocrisy and doublethink. I do try, but I always fail. Ultimately, there is only one real argument that will work on you. Sprint, a born-again Christian, makes the case well:

Kill them.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:08pm:



Typically, you formulate the question in a stupidly flawed and flopsided way

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 7:26am:



................................... its hard to separate them really both horrible both have little of no integrity...and both dishonest....put either of them in the oval office... NO NEVER..I wouldnt have it on my conscience.

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