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Why The Donald is on a winning path
Sep 29^th, 2016 at 2:57pm

This guy has summarised it pretty well imo:

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By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. - - Tuesday, September 27, 2016

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

On the matter of the debate the other night, tell the truth. Admit it. You were underwhelmed. Somewhere inside of your cranium you did not get the spectacle you anticipated. I understand.

After Hillary’s coughing spells, after her wobbly display at the Sept. 11 ceremony in New York City (she almost fell face forward on the running board of her van), after her admission to pneumonia and all the rumors that admission gave rise to, you had expected something highly dramatic. Perhaps the cough would return. Perhaps she might pass out under Donald Trump’s relentless barbs, possibly to be wheeled out on a gurney.

(I have to confess to it)

Or perhaps you thought Donald might explode or go into a wild rant. Well, it did not happen. Both debaters pretty much played to form. Both were highly disciplined, one being a billionaire who has made it mostly on his own and the other having survived in public life for at least 45 years with no jail time.

Some observers thought Hillary won. Over at CNN Anderson Cooper’s panel of experts — it seems they have 30 or 40 on stage at any given time — were exultant for Hillary, though there were the usual two holdouts, the indispensable Jeffrey Lord and Kayleigh McEnany. Also CNN’s pollsters came up with similar findings, 62 percent for Hillary and 27 percent for Donald. Though the rest of the polls nationwide and in the battleground states found for Donald. At CNN both those on stage and those polled seem to confuse the workings of their hearts with the workings of their brains, perhaps even the workings of their gall bladders.

Certainly those observers who rely on their brains noted early on that Donald had things under control. As he has done for weeks he was talking directly to the American public through the awkward stage prop of Hillary. He would start up the economy from its measly growth rate of barely 2 percent. He would get Americans working again. He would tear up trade agreements that favor crony capitalists and foreign governments. He would prevent companies from leaving America unscathed. Hillary had been a part of this system for decades. She was a standpatter and defender of the status quo. She had revealed bad judgment.

Hillary’s response was that Donald had used bad language in public, lacked the proper “temperament” to be president, and favored the rich whom she would hit with higher taxes to pay for her giveaways. That last line about the rich is a bit much given the fact that Hillary is the creature of Wall Street, Hollywood, and large donations. Whereas Donald relies on mostly modest donations. Oh, yes, and her needling him on his “temperament” — who was the last presidential candidate to be attacked for his temperament? Does the name Ronald Reagan come to mind?

In these early exchanges the other night Hillary spoke of her experience, of her knowledge of the system, of her years as a professional politician. That was not wise when you think of the audience beyond the stage in Hempstead, N.Y., that thinks the country “is on the wrong track.” The majority of those voters want change and, increasingly, Donald is their candidate.

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Reply #2 - Sep 29^th, 2016 at 4:25pm

Apart from looking non plussed at Donald Trump's comments what did Hilary Clinton bring to the table that was new. The answer is nothing and America will get the 'same old, same old from Hilary Clinton as it spirals out of control financially.

Trump has a plan to reel in the trillions of dollars in debt. I have no doubt he is capable of doing it.

He is a businessman and Clinton is a Politician with an abysmal record, as U.S. Secretary of State, she couldn't even save the U.S. Ambassador in Libya from being assassinated by terrorists even though she had time to 'send in the marines'. She did squat.

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Reply #3 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

red baron wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

.......as U.S. Secretary of State, she couldn't even save the U.S. Ambassador in Libya from being assassinated by terrorists even though she had time to 'send in the marines'. She did squat.

Her deliberate lies & inaction was, IMHO, tantamount to murder, but hey it's Hillary, so the MSM will give her her traditional "Pass".

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Reply #4 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 12:22pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2016 at 2:57pm:

This guy has summarized it pretty well imo:

Washington Times
By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. - - Tuesday, September 27, 2016

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

On the matter of the debate the other night, tell the truth. Admit it. You were underwhelmed. Somewhere inside of your cranium you did not get the spectacle you anticipated. I understand.

After Hillary’s coughing spells, after her wobbly display at the Sept. 11 ceremony in New York City (she almost fell face forward on the running board of her van), after her admission to pneumonia and all the rumors that admission gave rise to, you had expected something highly dramatic. Perhaps the cough would return. Perhaps she might pass out under Donald Trump’s relentless barbs, possibly to be wheeled out on a gurney.

(I have to confess to it)

Or perhaps you thought Donald might explode or go into a wild rant. Well, it did not happen. Both debaters pretty much played to form. Both were highly disciplined, one being a billionaire who has made it mostly on his own and the other having survived in public life for at least 45 years with no jail time.

Some observers thought Hillary won. Over at CNN Anderson Cooper’s panel of experts — it seems they have 30 or 40 on stage at any given time — were exultant for Hillary, though there were the usual two holdouts, the indispensable Jeffrey Lord and Kayleigh McEnany. Also CNN’s pollsters came up with similar findings, 62 percent for Hillary and 27 percent for Donald. Though the rest of the polls nationwide and in the battleground states found for Donald. At CNN both those on stage and those polled seem to confuse the workings of their hearts with the workings of their brains, perhaps even the workings of their gall bladders.

Certainly those observers who rely on their brains noted early on that Donald had things under control. As he has done for weeks he was talking directly to the American public through the awkward stage prop of Hillary. He would start up the economy from its measly growth rate of barely 2 percent. He would get Americans working again. He would tear up trade agreements that favor crony capitalists and foreign governments. He would prevent companies from leaving America unscathed. Hillary had been a part of this system for decades. She was a standpatter and defender of the status quo. She had revealed bad judgment.

Hillary’s response was that Donald had used bad language in public, lacked the proper “temperament” to be president, and favored the rich whom she would hit with higher taxes to pay for her giveaways. That last line about the rich is a bit much given the fact that Hillary is the creature of Wall Street, Hollywood, and large donations. Whereas Donald relies on mostly modest donations. Oh, yes, and her needling him on his “temperament” — who was the last presidential candidate to be attacked for his temperament? Does the name Ronald Reagan come to mind?

In these early exchanges the other night Hillary spoke of her experience, of her knowledge of the system, of her years as a professional politician. That was not wise when you think of the audience beyond the stage in Hempstead, N.Y., that thinks the country “is on the wrong track.” The majority of those voters want change and, increasingly, Donald is their candidate.

So true.....now, I haven't seen any groundswells of support for Hillary, but as you & I have both posted elsewhere, 'The Donald' is packing them to the rafters wherever he goes, whenever he speaks.......that speaks volumes........& in the end it's the public....the American People, not the MSM, yes, the American People, those "Deplorables" as SHillary calls them, who will have the final say. They will bite her hard in the ass for sure.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why The Donald is on a winning path Reply #6 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:24pm Fuzzball wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:12pm: He's winning because he understands what the people and the country need, and he's not a criminal, unlike Clinton. Shes been charged and convicted?
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Re: Why The Donald is on a winning path
Reply #7 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

He's winning because he understands what the people and the country need, and he's not a criminal, unlike Clinton.

Shes been charged and convicted?

She was found guilty but Comey did not press charges. However he will face charges for his inaction in the future - you can bet on that if Donald if elected.

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Reply #8 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:40pm

Richdude wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Sep 30^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

He's winning because he understands what the people and the country need, and he's not a criminal, unlike Clinton.

Shes been charged and convicted?

She was found guilty but Comey did not press charges. However he will face charges for his inaction in the future - you can bet on that if Donald if elected.

What criminal charge was that?

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Reply #10 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 3:50pm

USA Today Takes A Side In The Presidential Race For The First Time

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Nor does this editorial represent unqualified support for Hillary Clinton, who has her own flaws (though hers are far less likely to threaten national security or lead to a constitutional crisis). The Editorial Board does not have a consensus for a Clinton endorsement.

Some of us look at her command of the issues, resilience and long record of public service — as first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of State — and believe she’d serve the nation ably as its president.

Other board members have serious reservations about Clinton’s sense of entitlement, her lack of candor and her extreme carelessness in handling classified information.

Where does that leave us? Our bottom-line advice for voters is this: Stay true to your convictions. That might mean a vote for Clinton, the most plausible alternative to keep Trump out of the White House. Or it might mean a third-party candidate. Or a write-in. Or a focus on down-ballot candidates who will serve the nation honestly, try to heal its divisions, and work to solve its problems.

Whatever you do, however, resist the siren song of a dangerous demagogue. By all means vote, just not for Donald Trump.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-edit...

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Reply #11 - Sep 30^th, 2016 at 6:59pm

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The debate didn't change anything.
Trump can still win the election

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Nothing about this presidential contest has been like any other in history. So, we should all be hesitant in drawing too many hard conclusions about what the impact of tonight's debate will be on the electorate. But, we did learn a few things last night and over the course of the last week that will be instructive in the final weeks of this historic contest.

1.Both candidates did what they needed to do in debate #1.

Donald Trump made no gaffes and did not make any policy stumbles. He handled policy questions with adequate answers and, at times, had humorous lines directed at Hillary Clinton. He was tough on Secretary Clinton, but not overly so. In turn, Hillary Clinton was in command of the issues and didn't allow Trump to get under her skin. So, I wouldn't expect the overall contours of the race to change based on tonight's sparring match.

2. But, if the race is status quo after the first debate, Donald Trump arguably won.

Donald Trump had significant momentum before tonight's debate. Over this past week we've seen a tightening of the race, and Hillary Clinton did nothing to change the dynamic. Already this week, polling in Colorado and Pennsylvania showed the race tied and the contest in Wisconsin tightening. Republicans haven't won the later two states since 1988 and 1984, respectively. To be fair, it's highly unlikely Donald Trump will win Wisconsin, but the overall trend is irrefutable: Trump has been gaining ground on Hillary Clinton.

3.There is a path for Donald Trump to win the electoral college.

If you consider that there are 40 states that have gone either Republican or Democratic in every race during at least the last 4 presidential contests (4 of 4 states), then there is relatively little room for error by either of the candidates in their quest to win 270 electoral votes. And, while Mrs. Clinton has more room for error given that Democrats have more 4 of 4 states than Republicans, and thus more locked electoral votes, there's an easy way to consider Donald Trump's path to victory.

To win, he needs to win the states that Mitt Romney won in 2012, plus Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania (or in lieu of Pennsylvania, some combination of Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, and Virginia). And, right now the race is tied in all of those states except Iowa, where Trump is ahead, and Virginia, where Secretary Clinton is winning.

For a long time, I was in the category of Donald Trump can't win. I still think the race is an uphill climb for him, but after the events of the last two weeks, including last night's rather uneventful debate, it's possible Trump could win.

4.The Third party candidates are of little consequence in this election.

If there was ever a time when a credible third party candidate could be successful in American politics, 2016 is the year. But, Gary Johnson has been uninspiring and his failure to make last night's debate suggests it's unlikely he'll garner the momentum necessary to make the remaining debates. Without some big introduction to the electorate, he'll never garner the exposure to take off.

And, those voters who've been paying attention seem to have decided he's not the answer to their frustration with the two major party candidates. Stuck at sub ten percent, Johnson is likely stay there and there's even some evidence he's lost a little ground (to Trump's benefit) in the last couple weeks.

The arc of a presidential campaign is often set long before key general election events like last night's debate. For instance, the best day of the campaign for Hillary Clinton was in 2015 when Vice President Joe Biden announced he wasn't going to challenge her for the Democratic nomination. If he's unsuccessful, Donald Trump's fate was likely sealed when consumer confidence began to steadily rise, many months ago. His gaffes haven't helped, but they won't cost him the election.

The economy may be just good enough to get Secretary Clinton over the finish line. If Trump wins, it will be because at some point over the past four years, the collective country reached it's breaking point with Washington's current approach to governing; more of the same will be unacceptable for too many voters. That's not to say conventions and debates don't matter, but nothing happened last night to change the arc of this campaign.

The Key to this Presidential Election:

....At some point over the past four years, the collective country reached it's breaking point with Washington's current approach to governing; more of the same will be unacceptable for too many voters......

Yes = Trump wins No = Clinton wins

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