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Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ...
Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:43pm

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But then again, he is unintentionally demonstrating the fact that US border control is a pathetic joke because even after all these years it has not been given any legal teeth at all to exercise authority when it's being challenged.

No wonder Trump is pissed off about this.

Just tell the Border Control officers to piss off if they harass you.

We've heard of chocolate soldiers - well these are chocolate border guards who melt within minutes of being told to f-off.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74817 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #1 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:48pm this is what a bill of rights buys you ... ridiculous... I only watched the first bloke, they should locked him up and left him there for a few days, then come back and asked him the question ..... see if he still refuses.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #2 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:51pm I could not stand watching that right through. I hope he got smashed at some point.
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Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ...
Reply #3 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:06pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:48pm:

this is what a bill of rights buys you ... ridiculous...

I only watched the first bloke, they should locked him up and left him there for a few days, then come back and asked him the question ..... see if he still refuses.

He goes on like this all the way through.

At first I thought this guy needed a kick in the pants, but then on second thoughts I think he might be highlighting the fact that US 'border protection' is a toothless tiger and a sick joke.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5440 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #4 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38801 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #5 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:40pm Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm: Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination. He was in the USA and insisted his rights be respected.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5440 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #6 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 2:19pm Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:40pm: Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm: Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination. He was in the USA and insisted his rights be respected. He was a wanker.
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Reply #7 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 2:21pm

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination.

I'm amazed that after 9/11 the US government still doesn't have armed guards at the border checkpoints with full authority to make arrests when people don't obey their commands.

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Reply #8 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 2:22pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination.

He was in the USA and insisted his rights be respected.

I'm sure you're right, but what right weren't they respecting?

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Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ...
Reply #9 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:07pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination.

He was in the USA and insisted his rights be respected.

I'm sure you're right, but what right weren't they respecting?

His right to have unrestricted movement in the USA. That is why all those Officers gave way. They had no 'probable cause' to detain him. That being the case, and that he insisted on his rights (as everyone should) they had no option but to wave him goodbye.

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Reply #10 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:18pm

Watch out, I guess, if you're not a US citizen... How much protection does the 4th Amendment provide non-citizens? Or, at least, how likely is it that a border state would, in the first instance, respect any non-citizen's possible 4th Amendment protection?

I'm guessing the phrase "We'll soon have you on your way, sir" is a euphemism in the case of non-citizens.

As for those border guards... What would be the next action if the driver confirmed he/she was a US citizen? This seems to be an intro question towards building an argument for 'probable cause' to detain.

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Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ...
Reply #11 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:28pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:18pm:

Watch out, I guess, if you're not a US citizen... How much protection does the 4th Amendment provide non-citizens? Or, at least, how likely is it that a border state would, in the first instance, respect any non-citizen's possible 4th Amendment protection?

Have a Google on the 14th Amendment. Non-citizens have the same rights to those set out in the 4th Amendment as Citizens do.

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I'm guessing the phrase "We'll soon have you on your way, sir" is a euphemism in the case of non-citizens.

See above.

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As for those border guards... What would be the next action if the driver confirmed he/she was a US citizen? This seems to be an intro question towards building an argument for 'probable cause' to detain.

That is why people should just shut up when the Law gives them a right to do so, in the USA, by the 5th Amendment.

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Reply #12 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:34pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination.

He was in the USA and insisted his rights be respected.

I'm sure you're right, but what right weren't they respecting?

His right to have unrestricted movement in the USA. That is why all those Officers gave way. They had no 'probable cause' to detain him. That being the case, and that he insisted on his rights (as everyone should) they had no option but to wave him goodbye.

When did you become an expert on USA LAW? Have you been watching Foxtel's Crime Channel? Grin

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Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ...
Reply #13 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:37pm

miketrees wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:51pm:

I could not stand watching that right through.

I hope he got smashed at some point.

this is what the world is coming too thumbing their noses at the rules and regulations...it only starts in a small way..

these guys are doing their job... and its quite dangerous I would think.....

like taking a breathaliser..... if its too bloody hard spend a couple of hours in the paddy over there till I get back to you... > Sad

the fact that the guy was filming himself says it all....

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Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ...
Reply #14 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:40pm

Neferti wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Belgarion wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 1:15pm:

Would not happen in Australia. Border Force can legally detain people at the border for examination.

He was in the USA and insisted his rights be respected.

I'm sure you're right, but what right weren't they respecting?

His right to have unrestricted movement in the USA. That is why all those Officers gave way. They had no 'probable cause' to detain him. That being the case, and that he insisted on his rights (as everyone should) they had no option but to wave him goodbye.

When did you become an expert on USA LAW? Have you been watching Foxtel's Crime Channel? Grin

come come nef you know there isnt anything aussie isnt an expert on.....

as for non citizens having the same rights as born citzs .. I wouldnt like to risk it would you???>..

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