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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #60 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:52am NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:49am: Requested of him/Order... Just semantics... Now you're embarrassing yourself, and I've lost respect for this conversation with you. I'm handing you over to John.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #61 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:53am Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:45am: I think a 'Rodney King' touch-up might have been helpful in educating this dude that loyalty to his home country should take precedence over his own personal conceit. Geez you're a self-righteous moralising old codger! A crypto-Puritan
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #62 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:53am ..
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #63 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:55am John and I have agreed that a 'Rodney King' touch-up is what this smart-ass dude deserved. And that's my final word on the subject. John - he's all yours. Don't take any prisoners. And for god sake use a condom.
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Reply #64 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:56am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:52am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:49am:

Requested of him/Order... Just semantics...

Now you're embarrassing yourself, and I've lost respect for this conversation with you.

I'm handing you over to John.

Roger that, Sweetie...

Pedantry is an English fault, I'm told.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #65 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:57am Herbert has left the building.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138259 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #66 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:33am I love the bit at 10:45 He has no idea what his job actually is
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Reply #67 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:41am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 7:52am:

rhino wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Why would anyone support the actions of these officers to detain anyone they felt like for no valid reason?

so if the police stop a muslim and are concerned he might be a terrorist, but have no proof, you don't think they should be allowed to stop him?

Racial profiling is still a tough question. Every one is free and protected by the constitution unless you look like a Muslim ?

I wouldn't so much call it racial profiling, more 'gut instinct' ... a lot of good police work has been done in the past when police follow their guts.

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Reply #68 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:42am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 7:52am:

rhino wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Why would anyone support the actions of these officers to detain anyone they felt like for no valid reason?

so if the police stop a muslim and are concerned he might be a terrorist, but have no proof, you don't think they should be allowed to stop him?

In Australia we do not have as much regard for rights than the US... Probably comes from our history of submissiveness to British authority given that the US 'Bill of Rights' rose from reactions against previous British (mis)rule.

The question is ... Should the people forgo rights to protection from random detain and search, leaving them in a state of presumed suspicion. Given that the likelihood any person randomly detained is probably 99.999% likely to be innocent, Americans prefer protection for that majority...

Having said all that, even the US practises racial profiling when detaining at borders... Apparently.

Yes ... it's the cost of living in a safe society.

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Reply #69 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:55am:

John and I have agreed that a 'Rodney King' touch-up is what this smart-ass dude deserved.

And that's my final word on the subject.

John - he's all yours. Don't take any prisoners. And for god sake use a condom.

now now Herb .... you didn't insist on a condom when I was giving it to you last week, why now?

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Reply #70 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:45am

"Sir, would you mind if I had a look in your booth?"

-- That's a request.

"Sir, if you do not allow me to look into your booth as I have requested, then I will arrest you for refusing to comply with a lawful order.

-- That defines the original request as having been an order.

At no time did any of these uniformed personnel qualify their original request as having been an order, hence they were not orders, but only requests.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Here's a smartalec making a pest of himself ... Reply #71 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:46am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:33am: I love the bit at 10:45 He has no idea what his job actually is It's pathetic - almost unbelievable.
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Reply #72 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:48am

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:42am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 8:08am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 7:52am:

rhino wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Why would anyone support the actions of these officers to detain anyone they felt like for no valid reason?

so if the police stop a muslim and are concerned he might be a terrorist, but have no proof, you don't think they should be allowed to stop him?

In Australia we do not have as much regard for rights than the US... Probably comes from our history of submissiveness to British authority given that the US 'Bill of Rights' rose from reactions against previous British (mis)rule.

The question is ... Should the people forgo rights to protection from random detain and search, leaving them in a state of presumed suspicion. Given that the likelihood any person randomly detained is probably 99.999% likely to be innocent, Americans prefer protection for that majority...

Having said all that, even the US practises racial profiling when detaining at borders... Apparently.

Yes ... it's the cost of living in a safe society.

Is it?

History shows that at the very least it doesn't make us safe from tyranny... It ultimately guarantees less safety, in fact.

The story of the East German Stasi records on East Germans should give anyone pause to consider what kind of Orwellian dystopia arises whe the presumption of guilt is applied to all without exception... Except there are exceptions, aren't there... Like, for those who hold power.

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Reply #73 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:52am

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:45am:

"Sir, would you mind if I had a look in your booth?"

-- That's a request.

"Sir, if you do not allow me to look into your booth as I have requested, then I will arrest you for refusing to comply with a lawful order.

-- That defines the original request as having been an order.

At no time did any of these uniformed personnel qualify their original request as having been an order, hence they were not orders, but only requests.

I see you've re-entered the building... (Bloody cleaners... Always leaving the toilet window unlatched).

Anyway... To venture beyond pedantry (dare you?)... The driver was right, then, when he declined to respond... As the 'request' turned out to be nothing more than a 'conversation starter'...

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Reply #74 - Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:53am

John Smith wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2016 at 9:41am:

I wouldn't so much call it racial profiling, more 'gut instinct' ... a lot of good police work has been done in the past when police follow their guts.

Exactly.

They develop an acute ability to read the sort of stress on people's faces that belie the fact they are hiding something.

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