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I've Been Scammed
Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm

Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well.

Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post.

Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery.
In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost.

I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue.

What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one.

Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone.

Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back.

Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things.
In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic.

Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences.

Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs.

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38554 Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #1 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:45pm Never used Pay Pal. Many years ago, I did buy DVDs through Ebay. Every transaction meant I went to a Bank and put a few dollars into an account nominated by the Seller. I'm unsure how you got scammed, and that will be because I have no idea how it all works, now. "Digital currency?"
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16550 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #2 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:51pm ____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed. I've not been scammed yet in real life or on the net, sorry Greens.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #3 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:52pm You sent it registered mail ?
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #4 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:53pm Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:51pm: ____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm: Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed. I've not been scammed yet in real life or on the net, sorry Greens. You get scammed every time you fill up at bowser
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Reply #5 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:55pm

Its time wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

I've not been scammed yet in real life or on the net, sorry Greens.

You get scammed every time you fill up at bowser Cheesy

Fill up at a bowser? I've driven 19,000Km(rounded up) in 7 almost 8 years. I walk. Some of those Kms were not done by me but my kids driving my car.

Edit: I don't go to a gym but I pass one that people drive to, get out , walk inside and walk on treadmills and lift weights. I walk and carry my groceries home.

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Reply #6 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #7 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:00pm Its time wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:52pm: You sent it registered mail ? Digital currency is created via computer mining and so don't hold physical properties.
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Reply #8 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

No idea. Given I have to stay up for a while, I'll ask.

How do you 'buy' a bitcoin?

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Reply #9 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

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Reply #10 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:10pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

No idea. Given I have to stay up for a while, I'll ask.

How do you 'buy' a bitcoin?

There are sites online that are market places, for sellers and buyers to trade
Also apps on mobiles, and so by scanning another's phone app wallet address, currency can be traded for goods and services.

Bitcoin is also a common currency for the darknet. Illicit drugs etc. Some people think bitcoin is non trackable. Default position, it is.

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Reply #11 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:11pm

I was someone rang pretending to be from Microsoft..claimed computers were crashing in Melb and Canberra was next unless I paid .. I have forgotten how much think around the $400...for a security system that would be the only thing to save us and yeah we fell for it.. my daughter went home and rang Microsoft and they told her we never ring our clients...blah blah.. you have been had...the Bank did refund my money about 6 weeks later..but it was not funny at the time.. ....I am sorry to hear you did your dough greenie...

I think scams are pretty common today...I have since bought myself a Post Office Load and Go card which I can fill from here and if I dont like what I have just done I can whip the money off it.. I dont have to wait for the Bank to stop it. .. and I am not giving away my real bank card details...

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Reply #12 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain a safe haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

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Reply #13 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:21pm

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it. Where/how do I buy a bitcoin?

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Reply #14 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:28pm

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well.

Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post.

Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery.
In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost.

I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue.

What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one.

Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone.

Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back.

Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things.
In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic.

Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences.

Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs.

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

It's takes guts to come out like you have, so I salute you, sir. There's nothing to be ashamed of, it's happens to a lot of people. At least you have learned from the experience.

Just as a point of curiosity, don't Paypal have contingencies in place for people who have be the victim of scams? For e.g. most banks will reimburse the customer if it's proven fraud.

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