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Reply #15 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:30pm

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain a safe haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

It is digital money based on prime numbers. If things go to shite, where are the power, network and computers to allow it to continue for you coming from. Bitcoin is as weak as the internet.

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Re: I've Been Scammed
Reply #16 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:36pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it. Where/how do I buy a bitcoin?

First stage is a wallet. They can be attained via phone app stores and downloaded.
If you use iphones, be careful there are wallet apps that rip your bitcoin off.
Will find the link and add here later :

Also wallet apps can be downloaded to your computer.

I use a hard wallet for most of my bitcoin and carry a smaller amount on my phone wallet.
Because it's safer. When I transfer bitcoin from it online, It requires me to press a button on it physically. So it can be used on any computer, even corrupted ones.
I use a mid rage one : ledger nano s.
https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

Then for buying bitcoin, I use sites like this one.
https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=buy&country_code=AU&amount=&c...

Bitcoin current market price :
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=AUD

Bottom line, buyer beware. Do your homework before jumping in.

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Re: I've Been Scammed
Reply #17 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:46pm

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it. Where/how do I buy a bitcoin?

First stage is a wallet. They can be attained via phone app stores and downloaded.
If you use iphones, be careful there are wallet apps that rip your bitcoin off.
Will find the link and add here later :

Also wallet apps can be downloaded to your computer.

I use a hard wallet for most of my bitcoin and carry a smaller amount on my phone wallet.
Because it's safer. When I transfer bitcoin from it online, It requires me to press a button on it physically. So it can be used on any computer, even corrupted ones.
I use a mid rage one : ledger nano s.
https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

Then for buying bitcoin, I use sites like this one.
https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=buy&country_code=AU&amount=&c...

Bitcoin current market price :
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=AUD

Bottom line, buyer beware. Do your homework before jumping in.

Considering bitcoin is only useful in a tech society it's usefulness for when thing go to shite is next to nil.

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Re: I've Been Scammed
Reply #18 - Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:48pm

Auggie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well.

Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post.

Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery.
In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost.

I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue.

What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one.

Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone.

Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back.

Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things.
In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic.

Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences.

Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs.

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

It's takes guts to come out like you have, so I salute you, sir. There's nothing to be ashamed of, it's happens to a lot of people. At least you have learned from the experience.

Just as a point of curiosity, don't Paypal have contingencies in place for people who have be the victim of scams? For e.g. most banks will reimburse the customer if it's proven fraud.

Yes they do and I am covered if I can prove physical delivery to the Paypal listed address of the buyer. They also know this is impossible for digital items to be sent to a physical address and that's why Paypal set the condition.

I emailed Paypal a couple of weeks ago and asked if I was covered on digital currency. The reply was a link to totally unconnected information and didn't answer the question. Now I know the diversion was on purpose.

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Reply #20 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:00am

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:02pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Ebay forces sellers, including sellers of digital currency, to offer paypal as a payment option.
Meanwhile paypal requires proof of physical delivery on digital items (non physical)

Catch 22 ... and this is why I was scammed.

Digital currency, in this case it was Bitcoin.
It's a potential safe haven when things go to shite since it's democratic, all transactions are transparent, and outside government intervention.
Where as the dollar's value is manipulated and usually for political reasons.

Live Bitcoin transactions : https://blockchain.info/

Buy physical silver and gold then. If things go to shite, you might theoretically own bitcoins but you won't be able to access them.

Bitcoin's liquidity is one of it's benefits. It can be loaded onto a hard wallet that plugs into a computer's usb. Cross national borders and turned into a another currency fast.

Sure gold will remain save haven out of habit for the time being. I suspect bitcoin will be a more preferable in the longer term.
Theoretically millions of dollars worth of bitcoin could be carried in a wallet the size of a USB, Try carrying millions in gold in you pocket.

You still have not told me how I even enter the market, let alone trade in it. Where/how do I buy a bitcoin?

First stage is a wallet. They can be attained via phone app stores and downloaded.
If you use iphones, be careful there are wallet apps that rip your bitcoin off.
Will find the link and add here later :

Also wallet apps can be downloaded to your computer.

I use a hard wallet for most of my bitcoin and carry a smaller amount on my phone wallet.
Because it's safer. When I transfer bitcoin from it online, It requires me to press a button on it physically. So it can be used on any computer, even corrupted ones.
I use a mid rage one : ledger nano s.
https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/12-ledger-nano-s

Then for buying bitcoin, I use sites like this one.
https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=buy&country_code=AU&amount=&c...

Bitcoin current market price :
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=AUD

Bottom line, buyer beware. Do your homework before jumping in.

Considering bitcoin is only useful in a tech society it's usefulness for when thing go to shite is next to nil.

Current prediction is that Chinese land is being sold more expensive that the units built selling price. A Chinese property bubble burst is likely to occur in one or two years. The Australian dollar as a sort of representation of the Chinese market.
Our dollar will crash when this Chinese correction occurs.

Meanwhile the only risk to the computer network in the near term that I can see is cyber warfare. And during my bitcoin are safe.The network will be return, no matter the winner

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Reply #21 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:02am

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

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First stage is a wallet.

And there you go, failing to explain. What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin?

Your phone and computer app stores.
Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use.
or
A possible starting point :
https://www.coinjar.com.au/

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16554 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #22 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:04am I know what bitcoin is I used to mine back on my 486dx.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #23 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:07am Also if you use an apple device, read this first. New Potentially Malicious Bitcoin Wallet App Appears In iOS Store http://themerkle.com/new-potentially-malicious-bitcoin-wallet-app-appears-in-ios...
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Re: I've Been Scammed
Reply #24 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Quote:

First stage is a wallet.

And there you go, failing to explain. What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin?

Your phone and computer app stores.
Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use.
or
A possible starting point :
https://www.coinjar.com.au/

Nah, I'm not going to any link. If real money is not part of threshold entry, and ongoing, into that, I'll be staggered. If it's not real money, what have you lost, Monopoly notes?

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #25 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am Setanta wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:04am: I know what bitcoin is I used to mine back on my 486dx. You prefer gold over bitcoin as a safe haven. Interested in understanding your reasoning sometime then.
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Reply #26 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:11am

Auggie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

____ wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Reasonably new sideline interest, selling Digital Currency on eBay, following eBay's rules on digital currency to the letter. Transactions going well.

Then Paypal freezes my cash. They say that the other party on a few transactions hadn't given permission for the payments. Not to worry, just supply evidence that the digital currency had been sent to the buyer's physical papal listed street address. Digital currency is transferred via the computer network, and not via services like Australian Post.

Supplied evidence of the message the buyer sent me with their wallet address for the delivery, the blockchain evidence of the transactions, and positive feedback from the transactions from the buyer. Paypal hasn't decided, yet it's obvious it's only procedure before siding with the scammer ~ since they stipulated ~ prove physical address delivery.
In my reply I added I enjoyed Paypal's joke, even though it's at my financial cost.

I have found out since that this scam has been operating for years on ebay and through paypal, and both companies have been ignoring it, and this scam will continue.

What surprised me the most about this occurrence was not the scam, it was my reaction. Have tossed and turned the last few nights. Been hitting myself over the head for being so stupid to be scammed. Yet have gone over and over the transactions and can not find my mistake. Because I didn't make one.

Yet I still feel embarrassed. It has taken me four days to open up to my close friends that I'd been scammed. That was this morning. Now I'm opening up to everyone.

Yes, you can now use this information against me in other debates, yet know this, water off a ducks back.

Soon I will be closing my ebay account and never using papal again. My financial loss, bad, yet not drastic in the bigger scheme of things.
In a way, putting a line under a hobby and moving on from it is kind of cathartic.

Long winded to the reason for this thread. Your experiences.

Yeah the guy on the street that you give cash to, knowing full well where it will end up, yet you're have a great day and why not share it.. Or the duopoly dumping giving receipts so to hide their constant overcharging us mugs.

Come on people, don't leave me hanging. Surely I'm not the only person on the planet that has been scammed.

It's takes guts to come out like you have, so I salute you, sir. There's nothing to be ashamed of, it's happens to a lot of people. At least you have learned from the experience.

Just as a point of curiosity, don't Paypal have contingencies in place for people who have be the victim of scams? For e.g. most banks will reimburse the customer if it's proven fraud.

yes, good on you greens.
I can't really follow the technicalities on how you were scammed.
But I have been dudded in the past.

sorry to hear it.

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Reply #27 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:13am

Aussie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Quote:

First stage is a wallet.

And there you go, failing to explain. What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin?

Your phone and computer app stores.
Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use.
or
A possible starting point :
https://www.coinjar.com.au/

Nah, I'm not going to any link. If real money is not part of threshold entry, and ongoing, into that, I'll be staggered. If it's not real money, what have you lost, Monopoly notes?

Currency is relative to what people decide.
Would you place value on something that is built on a pyramid debt scheme
Would you spend week in, week out earning it?

p.s.
The link is to a wallet to hold the currency, not the currency itself.

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Reply #28 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:18am

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:13am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

____ wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:02am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 6^th, 2016 at 11:55pm:

Quote:

First stage is a wallet.

And there you go, failing to explain. What is a 'wallet' and how do you get it without paying someone real coin?

Your phone and computer app stores.
Google search bitcoin wallet and the type of computer you use.
or
A possible starting point :
https://www.coinjar.com.au/

Nah, I'm not going to any link. If real money is not part of threshold entry, and ongoing, into that, I'll be staggered. If it's not real money, what have you lost, Monopoly notes?

Currency is relative to what people decide.
Would you place value on something that is built on a pyramid debt scheme
Would you spend week in, week out earning it?

p.s.
The link is to a wallet to hold the currency, not the currency itself.

So, not ever, never ever, did you put real money into that system?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16554 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: I've Been Scammed Reply #29 - Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:39am Aussie wrote on Oct 7^th, 2016 at 12:18am: So, not ever, never ever, did you put real money into that system? Those who originally generated bitcoins did. Time, power, computers. It was based on finding prime numbers.
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