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Brexit: GBP plunges by 4+% overnight
Oct 7th, 2016 at 10:17am
 
The British Rupiah plunges!

That's a huge drop in exchange rates rarely seen in currencies other than Zimbabwe's. It could have gone lower than 1.2 except for trading stops which were triggered.

French president Hollande enjoyed himself sticking the boots into UK.

It got as low as US$ 1.2 overnight.

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http://news.forexlive.com/!/gbp-plunge-hollande-gets-the-narrative-prize-2016100...

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The catalyst appears to be the very hardline comment from French President Hollande (I posted this earlier):
Financial Times here (gated)
Britain must suffer the consequences of leaving the EU in order to save the institution from an existential crisis, François Hollande said on Thursday.

"There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price. Otherwise we will be in a negotiation that cannot end well."

And I added:
Stern words indeed from the president of France. If you're gunna listen to some in the EU then you'd be listening to Germany and France. Still, that's a HUGE move on a comment.

OK, just a couple of things to add for info:
Reuters report a low hit of 1.1378. That's insane and would appear to be a mis-hit. These happen.
The low I have seen reported from EBS is 1.1841. That's a more reliable piece of information.

You will know, if you are reading ForexLive, that the FX market is OTC so deals may have been struck at lower rates. That's what OTC implies. In the FX market there is zero obligation to report deals between counterparties, there is information that goes unreported and unknown to all but the counterparties.

I'm hoping this is not news to you if you are trading FX.
A barrier option was triggered at 1.2
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OK, on the move.
Holland appears to have been the catalyst. In order for a move to respond to a catalyst the preconditions must be in place. The preconditions (some of the most pertinent) were the Brexit vote months ago (of course) and most recently the weekend comments from UK PM May and surrounding ministerial remarks that indicate a 'hard' exit is a very real possibility. A hard exit is the worst exit in the eyes of the FX market.

While Hollande appears to have been the catalyst the move will have been started by a very, very large sell order hitting. Most likely a 'get me the *** out of this' stop loss. With some shorts piggybacking on it for good measure.

Once a move like this starts you get a cascade of stops hitting (ditto on the I hope if this is not news to you).
Ditto too on the explanations that included:
algos (yes, there are algos that hit prices, and they are faster than humans can be)
illiquidity (yes, the time post-NY and pre-Tokyo, and pre HK and Sing. is the most illiquid time of the 24 hours FX day. I am boringly repetitive on this ... for a reason)
Lastly, if you are trading markets there will be things you will not know and cannot know. This is not a failing of yours. This is life in the markets.
Its doubly true in forex, see my comment:
In the FX market there is zero obligation to report deals between counterparties, there is information that goes unreported and unknown to all but the counterparties
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Re: Brexit: GBP plunges by 4+% overnight
Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2016 at 10:51am
 
I blame the closet poms like you.
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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2016 at 11:01am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Oct 7th, 2016 at 10:51am:
I blame the closet poms like you.


Have you lost your head? Its the fault of Islam!
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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2016 at 11:24am
 
Andrei Hicks must be suicidal. He sold his house in Australia several years ago and supposedly took refuge in UK.

His GBPs are looking pretty sick now.

Is parity with US$ on the horizon?
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Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2016 at 1:09pm
 
Its looking South to the $1.20 level.

The GBP has been downwardly mobile against USD for 100 years.

GBP is approaching parity with Euro.

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Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:08am
 
GBP has settled below USA $ 1.25 for the moment. The next shock will be interesting.

The GBP had a spectacular decline from $ 2.40 to $ 1.05 in 1981 - 1985.

George Soros made billions betting against the GBP in 1992 because the UK was losing billions a day trying to support the value of the GBP and in the end UK government ran out of money in the foreign exchange casino and the wolves carried the corpse away.

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp#ixzz...

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In Britain, Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992) is known as the day that speculators broke the pound. They didn't actually break it, but they forced the British government to pull it from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM). Joining the ERM was part of Britain's effort to help along the unification of the European economies. However, in the imperialistic style of old, she had tried to stack the deck.

Although it stood apart from European currencies, the British pound had shadowed the German mark in the period leading up to the 1990s. Unfortunately, the desire to "keep up with the Joneses" left Britain with low interest rates and high inflation. Britain entered the ERM with the express desire to keep its currency above 2.7 marks to the pound. This was fundamentally unsound because Britain's inflation rate was many times that of Germany's. (Keep reading about this in Stop Keeping Up With The Joneses - They're Broke.)
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Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:12am
 
Did you short the GBP or are you just talking shiiit as usual? What do the people at Frecklepunch.org think will happen?
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Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:36am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:12am:
Did you short the GBP or are you just talking shiiit as usual? What do the people at Frecklepunch.org think will happen?




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not sure why unforgiven is concerned to be honest they will never allow him into Britain.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:56am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:12am:
Did you short the GBP or are you just talking shiiit as usual? What do the people at Frecklepunch.org think will happen?


Gordon darling. You have evidently got out of the wrong side of the bed. Come back when your humor improves.
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Reply #9 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 11:02am
 
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:36am:
Gordon wrote on Oct 8th, 2016 at 10:12am:
Did you short the GBP or are you just talking shiiit as usual? What do the people at Frecklepunch.org think will happen?


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Ignorance is Cods' finest quality.

Worked in London UK 1977-79. I was appalled at the financial and intellectual poverty. Poverty stricken Pensioners like Cods and Herbert who couldn't afford heating hung out in local pubs hoping the regulars would buy them drinks.

Pubs closed at 3:00 pm in that era so that the drinkers could be forced to go back to work.

It was also the Kray brothers era. I knew a Vernon's Pools manager at that time and he used the knuckle men to collect from football pool distributors who were late with their payments.
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Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 12:40pm
 
GBP has become a political currency subject to news flashes.

http://www.investopedia.com/news/why-british-pound-experienced-flash-crash-today...

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David Bloom, an analyst at HSBC, told the Financial Times, "Sterling used to be a relatively simple currency that used to trade on cyclical events and data, but now it has become a political and structural currency. This is a recipe for weakness given its twin deficits. The currency is now the de facto official opposition to the government’s policies."

According to Kathleen Brooks at City Index, the dramatic fall was a result of algorithms "reacting" to news headlines. She said, “These days some algos trade on the back of news sites, and even what is trending on social media sites such as Twitter, so a deluge of negative Brexit headlines could have led to an algo taking that as a major sell signal for GBP. Once the pound started moving lower then more technical algos could have followed suit, compounding the short, sharp, selling pressure." Brooks predicts more flash crashes are possible since the currency market is being guided by politics instead of economic fundamentals.
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Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2016 at 5:20pm
 
Forecasters are predicting GBP at Euro parity and at US$ 1.10 in 2017. It appears that GBP has no credibilty, particularly if the oil price recovers and UK trade balance heads further South.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/5558-gbp-to-eur-and-usd-manufac...

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GBP collapsed around the Asian open, with trades apparently going through below 1.15 in GBP/USD.

The move happened right at the point of thinnest liquidity and on a day (US payrolls Friday) when volumes would have been unusually thin anyway.

The official low reached has been hard to ascertain with various commercial rate providers offering different views.

The Bank of England is meanwhile investigating the cause of a sharp fall in the value of the pound in overnight trading in Asia, a spokesman for the central bank said on Friday.

"The Bank is looking into last night's fall in sterling," a Bank official told Reuters.

It will take time for the investigation to conclude but the damage to Sterling's reputation and outlook has been done, whatever the cause of the crash.

Here are the latest reactions and expectations from those in the know:

David Bloom at HSBC reckons par for the Euro and Pound is going to happen:

"GBP has gone from a cyclical to a political and structural currency. The structure and politics are conducive to a currency that needs to fall to a level that causes balance. That balancing act is and has been in our eyes is still a lot lower than where it is today.

"We continue to look for GBP-USD at 1.20 by year end and 1.10 by end 2017, taking EUR-GBP to parity."
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Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2016 at 3:32am
 
Be nice if the Brits picked up the tab on higher oil prices by having a low value currency.
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Reply #13 - Oct 12th, 2016 at 1:09am
 
Poor old John Bull doesn't know whether he is Arthur or Martha post Brexit. Worms are eating John's lunch.

GBP is ~ US$ 1.22 and falling. GBP is EUR ~1.1

Brexit is beginning to show its teeth.

Andrei Hicks must be howling with anguish after selling up in Australia and converting his wealth into cheap GBP.

The street price is even lower with some airports offering less than 1 Euro for a British Lira.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37609114

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Less than one euro to the pound at many UK airports
By Ian Pollock

You can find better currency rates almost anywhere other than at an airport.

Many travellers buying foreign currency at the UK's airports are now receiving less than one euro to the pound.

The continued fall in sterling's value means that the average rate available at 17 airport bureaux de change is now just 99 euro cents to the pound.

The worst rate is currently 88 euro cents at Moneycorp at Southampton airport and the best is €1.06 from the Change Group at Glasgow Prestwick.

Since the UK's Brexit vote in June, the pound has fallen sharply in value.

The average US dollar rate at the airports is down to $1.08 to the pound.

The survey of airport bureau de change currency rates was carried out by travel money firm FairFX on Monday morning.

The firm's chief executive, Ian Strafford-Taylor, said many travellers would be shocked by the poor rates on offer.
"Currency firms operating in airports are known to offer the worst exchange rates down to taking big profit margins and today are shockingly offering holidaymakers below one euro to the pound," he said.

"Unfortunately, if the pound falls even further, rates as poor as this could be seen at airport providers up and down the country - taking advantage of their captive audience of holidaymakers and business travellers."

Dollar rates
The survey found that most quoted rates for people buying euros with sterling clustered around one euro to the pound.
That is far below the current wholesale rate of €1.11 to the pound, which is the rate at which banks are buying and selling the currencies between each other.

Another particularly low rate was 89 euro cents from ForExchange at Cardiff airport.

The US dollar rates on offer at the 17 airports vary from just $0.97 to the pound from ForExchange at Cardiff airport, to $1.13 from ICE at Heathrow's Terminal 3.

Those compare to the current wholesale market rate of just under $1.24 to the pound.

Bureaux de change at airports are notorious for their low rates.

In the past, the firms operating them have explained that they have high running costs - for instance, because of their very long opening hours.

Travellers rates are in general much more favourable with specialist foreign exchange firms, or even if ordered in advance from the bureau operators themselves.

More expensive petrol
Another effect of the falling pound is likely to be in higher petrol prices, according to the Petrol Retailers' Association (PRA).

It forecast that vehicle owners will be paying an extra four or five pence per litre (ppl) for petrol by the end of October because retail prices have, so far, only reflected part of the recent rise in wholesale prices.

Petrol prices hinge on the value of oil, which is priced in dollars, and the falling pound against the US currency means that petrol automatically become more expensive at the pump.

"Wholesale costs to retailers have increased by over six ppl for petrol and seven ppl for diesel in the last few weeks, whereas the UK average pump prices have moved up by less than two ppl for both grades over the same time period," said Brian Madderson, Chairman of the PRA.

"Thus motorists can expect increases by the end of the month unless there are favourable corrections to the exchange rate and to global oil prices.

"The double impact of the pound weakening against US dollar and global oil prices strengthening will cause pump prices to move sharply upwards," he added.

'Welcome change'
But Mervyn King, the former governor of the Bank of England, has welcomed the fall in the pound.
In an interview with Sky News, Lord King said: "The economy was slowing somewhat before the vote and we are in a position where the rest of the world is not offering us much help.

"So from that point of view the fall in sterling is a welcome change."
He said that last week's "flash crash" in the pound had generated reactions which "were over the top".
"During the referendum campaign, someone said the real danger of Brexit is you'll end up with higher interest rates, lower house prices and a lower exchange rate, and I thought: 'dream on'."

"Because that's what we've been trying to achieve for the past three years and now we have a chance of getting it."
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Reply #14 - Oct 15th, 2016 at 12:35pm
 
From the BBC:

Jim Rogers, investor, says GBP will go under $ 1 within 3 years especially if Scotland leaves the UK causing a huge sag in trade balance due to Scotland's oil and gas becoming an import rather than a UK product.

Will Italians, Spanish and Greeks be seeking cheap holidays in UK in the future?

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37659503

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Jim Rogers: Sterling is in serious decline
14 October 2016 Last updated at 15:19 BST
Investor Jim Rogers says there are "serious problems facing the UK" and that the pound's value will "certainly go under one dollar" if Scotland leaves the UK.
He told the BBC's Mark Mardell, "You've got a lot of debt, you've got a serious balance of trade problem which shows no signs of being corrected. I don't see anything to make sterling go up."
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