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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #105 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

As I've said, I resort to anecdotal evidence because there is no statistical evidence available. It appears to be good enough for Hanson, so why is it not acceptable for me? It appears that you are applying one rule for her and another for me, her critic. Funny that.

I am sure you have sneered at others for using self serving anecdotal "evidence" instead of verifiable argument, and if you haven't that is something else you have learned, the relative lack of weight in using a self serving and unverifiable anecdote to make your argument.

And Hanson, where have I applied one rule to her and one to you? You will search the forum high and low and find no reference by me to Hanson. So you can belay that strawman you are clumsily attempting to erect.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

When someone does not qualify a statement I am forced to assume that they mean "all" of the thing they are discussing. That I utilise the word "all" indicates that I am well aware that there are minorities and majorities amongst all groups.

Well durrr, Brian, yes I know that is what you have been doing, and you are not "forced" to do anything, you chose to assume a position that no one has stated by inserting your "all" weasel word precisely because you know there are majorities and minorities.

That was the strawman you built and the one I am beating you over your silly head with.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

Perhaps you need to get out more and start associating with real life people then? Again I ask, how many Muslims do you know?

Perhaps you should consider attempting to debate by using verifiable evidence instead of building strawmen and relying on anecdote. As for how many muslims I know, I know dozens Brian. Grin

. See how easy that was? Fact and evidence free debating, Brian style. Grin

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 10:53pm:

No, I have not only presented anecdotal evidence

Here it is Brian, your posts,

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

How many Muslims do you know intimately enough to discuss their innermost religious views with? I know dozens. None fit the stereotype that you and other bigots paint of them. Roll Eyes

What stereotype is that Brian?

They are supposedly all unassimilated, Terrorists or supporters of Terrorism, they believe in the subjugation of women, etc. This is all clearly false yet they are the lies we hear being perpetuated by the ignorant like Pauline Hanson every day. Roll Eyes

Find for me and quote any factual verifiable part not the strawman you built or the anecdote you used to rebut it.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41085	Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia Reply #106 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 5:20pm Just read anything by Herbie, Juliar, Mechanic, Gordon, Frank, Yadda, Moses, yourself on the topic of Islam and Muslims in Australia. If you're too lazy, there isn't much I can do for you...
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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #107 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

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Just read anything by Herbie, Juliar, Mechanic, Gordon, Frank, Yadda, Moses, yourself on the topic of Islam and Muslims in Australia. If you're too lazy, there isn't much I can do for you... Roll Eyes

Dear oh dear Brian, your yawn emoticon is your flag of surrender. Been waving it a lot lately?

To defend yourself against the charge levelled all you needed was to present where your interlocutor had claimed that all Muslims are terrorists. That after all was the tottering edifice that was your golem strawman. That simple thing you could not do.

I also note you have declined to present any quote which was "not only anecdotal evidence". It's not there is it Brian despite your claim, I know cos I checked. And you know cos you looked and found nothing and thus can show nothing.

Tsk tsk Brian, building strawmen, presenting personal anecdotes and lying are not the way adults debate. Insert Brian style pompous rolling eyes .... Roll Eyes

there ya go.

Still it may be lesson for others that may desire to engage with you, beware the strawmen, the unfounded allegations, the self serving evidence free anecdotes and the lies.

Clown.

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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #109 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:49pm

mothra wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

We should start a drinking game.

Throw one back every time Secret says "strawman".

Great game. You should. But not just for me. It might impose a bit of discipline in debate if you engage with and argue what people say instead of making poo up like Brian chose to do.

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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #110 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in

my understanding of

the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

From his own book, old boy, the Story of My Experiments With Truth.

Gandhi had a range of influences. This was the point of his political - and spiritual - philosophy. Gandhi was a universalist, not a secularist. He saw all religions as important.

Islam means submission to God. Jihad means spiritual struggle. Gandhi stood for both these things.

Yeah, right, Gandhi was a jihadi. There is simply no limit of idiocy that you will not go to in defence of the indefencible, Abu Karnal.

You are a walking, talking Stockholm Syndrome. You have lost all sense of proportion.

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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #112 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 6:44pm:

We should start a drinking game.

Throw one back every time Secret says "strawman".

Great game. You should. But not just for me. It might impose a bit of discipline in debate if you engage with and argue what people say instead of making poo up like Brian chose to do.

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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #113 - Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

Frank wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in

my understanding of

the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

From his own book, old boy, the Story of My Experiments With Truth.

Gandhi had a range of influences. This was the point of his political - and spiritual - philosophy. Gandhi was a universalist, not a secularist. He saw all religions as important.

Islam means submission to God. Jihad means spiritual struggle. Gandhi stood for both these things.

Yeah, right, Gandhi was a jihadi. There is simply no limit of idiocy that you will not go to in defence of the indefencible, Abu Karnal.

You are a walking, talking Stockholm Syndrome. You have lost all sense of proportion.

The book comes highly recommended. You'll find it in most Indian railway station newsstands.

It's a bit harder to find in Pakistan, but you can have a poke around the second-hand bookshops in Lahore.

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Re: There is a Terror Network in Australia
Reply #114 - Oct 30^th, 2016 at 1:39pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 26^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 7:51am:

But their actions are rooted in

my understanding of

the ideology of Islam.

fixed for you Frank.

No, you didn't. It is very, very easy to interpret Islam as a solid basis for violent jihad.

Try interpreting Gandhi...

Gandhi's notion of satyagraha, or "truth force", was influenced by Islam.

Bollocks. Where do you get this crap from? 'Submission' influencing nonviolent resistance??? You are out of your mind (still).

He was influenced by Tolstoy.

From his own book, old boy, the Story of My Experiments With Truth.

Gandhi had a range of influences. This was the point of his political - and spiritual - philosophy. Gandhi was a universalist, not a secularist. He saw all religions as important.

Islam means submission to God. Jihad means spiritual struggle. Gandhi stood for both these things.

Yeah, right, Gandhi was a jihadi. There is simply no limit of idiocy that you will not go to in defence of the indefencible, Abu Karnal.

You are a walking, talking Stockholm Syndrome. You have lost all sense of proportion.

The book comes highly recommended. You'll find it in most Indian railway station newsstands.

It's a bit harder to find in Pakistan, but you can have a poke around the second-hand bookshops in Lahore.

You poke around in La Whore.

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