Frank wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:


Funny, it's never stopped their followers from resorting to violence and warfare, now has it?   

There is a Terror Network in Australia

Nobody likes Telstra

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:


All?  That would be false.  You rely a lot on that "all". 

But undeniable that there are, your not personally knowing any of them does not in any way disprove their existence and stupid of you to think that it does.

And many do believe in a role for women which is subordinate to men and controlling of them, it is also a belief that you for reasons of cultural relativism cannot criticise so it is odd that you bring it up to criticise those who are critical of imposing religious  controls on women. 

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:


I got that you meant unassimilated from your context and thesis.

No matter, your "point" is still stupid and vacuous, their existence is not predicated on you personally knowing them or not.   

Your thesis, you know dozens of Muslims (a claim easily enough made and yet another debate by anecdote by yourself) and that none you know conform to the stereotype, ( as an apologist you would hardly claim any different now would you Brian? ) your rebuttal

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:


I asked you to clarify what you meant by stereotype, your reply

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:


Yes, it is clearly false but only because you rely so heavily on that sneaky "all"; one I note that is frequently deployed by the apologists.

You built a strawman on "all" and you used a silly anecdote to buttress it, your whole shaky edifice totters on that sneaky little modifier.

To borrow from you "clearly" there are Muslims who are unassimilated, who are terrorists and to borrow from Mao who do swim in seas of support and that do believe in and support the subjugation of women.  As an aside, as a cultural relativist you also support the subjugation of women albeit framed as a refusal to criticise or condemn. 

To deny they exist  because you are not personally acquainted with any is idiotic and was the crux of your silly "point".

Tsk tsk your silly pompous self Brian, nothing I said was wrong.  Your self serving anecdotes illustrates nothing, proves nothing.  All you illustrated is an ability to tell a story that cannot be verified, it has no value in debate. 

And once again to explain it in excruciating detail that hopefully you should be finally able to grasp, you rely on a small weasel word, your strawman "all", which is why until you can find a statement that indicates your rebuttal is directed at someone, anyone who has accused an "all" your post and "point "  is a tottering pile of crap. That is your strawman to prove, tilt at that scarecrow Brian. 

Your story time dozens of Muslim acquaintances  does not disprove the existence of those other Muslims.  I don't know why you even continue to mention it, I don't know any bank robbers Brian, but I would never be stupid enough to say that they do not exist because I am not acquainted with any bank robbers. 

To recap you have presented nothing but anecdote, a strawman and an idiotic notion that your not being personally acquainted with any Islamic terrorists, sympathisers or men who think that women are subordinate to men has value.

Secret Wars wrote on Oct 25^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:


Yet, here we are, debating this issue.  As I've said, I resort to anecdotal evidence because there is no statistical evidence available.  It appears to be good enough for Hanson, so why is it not acceptable for me?  It appears that you are applying one rule for her and another for me, her critic.  Funny that.

Quote:


When someone does not qualify a statement I am forced to assume that they mean "all" of the thing they are discussing.  That I utilise the word "all" indicates that I am well aware that there are minorities and majorities amongst all groups.

Quote:


Perhaps you need to get out more and start associating with real life people then?   Again I ask, how many Muslims do you know?

Quote:


No, I have not only presented anecdotal evidence.  You are erecting a strawman argument.  How typical of the bigots and the Islamophobes. You attack the person rather than their message.