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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: What the Greenies Want to Keep Quiet. . Reply #30 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 2:02am double post
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: What the Greenies Want to Keep Quiet. . Reply #31 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 2:06am double post
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Reply #32 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 3:24pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 12:42am:

After thousands of posts nitpicking the professionals the best evidence you can come up with to support your position is that peer review doesn't mean anything.

So your comprehension is low also. What I said was it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Take the Karl et al paper that adjusted SSt's from pristine buoy daya to noisy ship's data. That was peer-reviewed and NASA/NOAA/GISS use it for ocean temperatures now. It was used to get rid of the early 21st century warming.

However, other climate scientists disagree.

'Making sense of the early-2000s warming slowdown'

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n3/full/nclimate2938.html?WT.ec_id=NCL...

You may recognise some of the names, even used articles by them.

John C. Fyfe, Gerald A. Meehl, Matthew H. England, Michael E. Mann, Benjamin D. Santer, Gregory M. Flato, Ed Hawkins, Nathan P. Gillett, Shang-Ping Xie, Yu Kosaka & Neil C. Swart

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Reply #33 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

That's not actually a peer reviewed document but its the closest you have come so far so points for effort.

It also doesn't provide evidence of anything other than anthropogenic global warming, so i'm not 100% sure what point you trying to prove, other than your limited to trying to distort legitimate science to justify your position (which you are nailing!)

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Reply #34 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 7:47pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

That's not actually a peer reviewed document but its the closest you have come so far so points for effort.

It was published in Science magazine. According to Science magazine -

'Science is a weekly, peer-reviewed journal that publishes significant original scientific research, plus reviews and analyses of current research and science policy. '

https://www.sciencemag.org/authors/science-information-authors

It also took 6 months to get accepted for publication. Are you sure it wasn't peer-reviewed in that time?

But according to you NASA/NOAA/GISS have altered SST's on the back of an opinion piece. How bizarre is that. Cheesy

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Reply #35 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

I stand corrected.

After 3 pages of posts the single piece of evidence you have presented IS a peer reviewed paper.

There is the little fact that the piece SUPPORTS anthropogenic global warming......
But as I said, baby steps.

I'm sure if you dig around hard enough you'll find something that was slipped through one of the more questionable journals demonstrating that the planet is actually cooling, Co2 doesn't exist and its all Just gods will.

At least then you will have shown everyone here that you do base your opinions on published documents, and you are a rational person.

Sure, we will have a good time kicking the crap outta whatever research you bring in here that backs up the hot you keep blowing.

But if you really have nothing, please bugger off and stop posting just to obfuscate.

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Reply #36 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:48pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

I stand corrected.

After 3 pages of posts the single piece of evidence you have presented IS a peer reviewed paper.

There is the little fact that the piece SUPPORTS anthropogenic global warming......

Of course it does that's what it was designed to do. To eliminate the "hiatus" or "pause". It had a Significance or p of 0.10. A good p is 0.01 to 0.05. 0.10 is crap.

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Reply #37 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:55pm

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:48pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

I stand corrected.

After 3 pages of posts the single piece of evidence you have presented IS a peer reviewed paper.

There is the little fact that the piece SUPPORTS anthropogenic global warming......

Of course it does that's what it was designed to do. To eliminate the "hiatus" or "pause". It had a Significance or p of 0.10. A good p is 0.01 to 0.05. 0.10 is crap.

And you agree with it.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17980 Gender:	Re: What the Greenies Want to Keep Quiet. . Reply #38 - Dec 20^th, 2016 at 11:24pm Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:55pm: And you agree with it. Agree with what. Karlization of the temperature? No. Seeing as Karl had a Significance of 0.10, it wasn't hard to debunk.
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Reply #39 - Dec 21^st, 2016 at 12:19am

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 11:24pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 20^th, 2016 at 10:55pm:

And you agree with it.

Agree with what. Karlization of the temperature? No.

Seeing as Karl had a Significance of 0.10, it wasn't hard to debunk.

You posted this paper after I pestered you to provide evidence for your assertion that climate change was not anthropomorphic.

This paper discusses aspects of global warming, and its findings are congruent with the majority of the published work in this field concluding that its anthropological in origin.

It has no relevance to any assertions you have made, other than countering them.

I'm not going to spend my time debating irrelevant points on a paper which agrees with my position, when you have absolutely nothing to support your position.

Provide credible evidence for your claim that global warming not anthropogenic.

Or shut it. Either would be great.

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Reply #40 - Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:31am

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 12:19am:

This paper discusses aspects of global warming, and its findings are congruent with the majority of the published work in this field concluding that its anthropological in origin.

yes that is why climate scientists have debunked it. /sarc.

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 12:19am:

Provide credible evidence for your claim that global warming not anthropogenic.

You just don't get it do you. It is the alarmists who have to disprove the null hypothesis. As I have previously said some of the gloal warming is anthropogenic. Think land use change. Wink

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Reply #41 - Dec 21^st, 2016 at 11:42am

miketrees wrote on Oct 20^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

JM I think its taking out the coral,,, but that could be in the plankton stage.

It could be the whole genetic makeup of the sealife has to adapt to re-establish itself.

The trouble with adaptation by wildlife, Mike, is that global warming is increasing so fast wildlife, flora and fauna, does not have enough time to adapt through evolution.

Migratory animals move more and more polewards each year, but there is an obvious limit to that. Similarly with life moving higher and higher up mountainsides (and that causes problems of dividing a species into different areas, reducing the genetic diversity available to each isolated community.)

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Reply #42 - Dec 21^st, 2016 at 11:52am

lee wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 10:31am:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 12:19am:

Provide credible evidence for your claim that global warming not anthropogenic.

Think land use change. Wink

The climate is not getting warmer
CO2 emissions are not Anthropological
Climate change is unrelated to CO2 emissions
Its because of water vapour

Its land use change!

Sure-I still don't have any evidence to support my position, but wow-watch me backtrack!

Please provide credible peer reviewed justification for your position that global warming is not anthropological, but rather because of "land use change"

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Reply #43 - Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:20pm

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 11:52am:

Please provide credible peer reviewed justification for your position that global warming is not anthropological, but rather because of "land use change"

You don't think clearing land,aka land use change, has no anthropogenic influence on climate?

What school do you go to?

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Reply #44 - Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:30pm

lee wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 1:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Dec 21^st, 2016 at 11:52am:

Please provide credible peer reviewed justification for your position that global warming is not anthropological, but rather because of "land use change"

You don't think clearing land,aka land use change, has no anthropogenic influence on climate?

What school do you go to?

I don't know-
I'm open to any peer reviewed research you have which indicates that global warming is caused by changing land use instead of CO2.

Do you have such a document?

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