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Rigging the game
Oct 21^st, 2016 at 12:49pm

Rigging the game is notorious in casinos & other forms of gambling.
Why should it be a surprise to anybody when it comes to voting?
That great Australian leftist writer, Frank Hardy, openly boasted in a pub about rigging the vote in one of the Hawke elections.

WND/DailyCaller today details instances of voter fraud in 23 states.

The same thing is happening with some polls. They are rigged to give results for Clinton. As I said in Clinton Octopussy, the tentacles are everywhere.
Reuters openly admitted earlier this year they had changed their methodology and bingo the results started to go against Trump.
It's simple enough. The psychology is people want to back a winner. Tell them often enough.and loud enough that X is ahead and it's worth a few more votes.

But as some people have pointed out, this election is quite different to other elections. A lot of people - and this is a worldwide scenario - a lot of people have had a gutfull.

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Re: Rigging the game
Reply #1 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:34pm

He's got virtually no chance in Michigan, Colorado and California.

Should he somehow end up winning, I'll own my mistake. Trump's chances are slim to none.

Trump will win Indiana. Ohio is 50/50.

The problem is for Trump is even if he ends up winning all three of those states, he still comes up short should the rest of the polling hold. Trump has a very narrow path in terms of the Electoral votes, and Pennsylvania (like Virginia) is just about outside the realm of possibility for him now.

Clinton is tracking upwards of 400 now in terms of Electoral votes. Very few polls have Trump breaking 200.

Absent some cataclysmic event in terms of a self-defeating wound by the Clinton campaign (or perhaps a terrorist attack inside the US on a large scale), I have a hard time seeing where Trump is going change the dynamic of the race at this point 2 & 1/2 weeks out from Election Day (voting actually starts in Monday the 24th). His poll numbers have been dropping slowly over the last three weeks; none of the debates have given him any kind of bounce. In fact, quite the opposite.

Now grow up and go away.

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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: Rigging the game Reply #2 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:40pm The results won't be certain till the last vote is counted. Clinton will face the problem of low turnout of people who might vote for her.
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Re: Rigging the game
Reply #3 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:40pm

Marla wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

He's got virtually no chance in Michigan, Colorado and California.

Should he somehow end up winning, I'll own my mistake. Trump's chances are slim to none.

Trump will win Indiana. Ohio is 50/50.

The problem is for Trump is even if he ends up winning all three of those states, he still comes up short should the rest of the polling hold. Trump has a very narrow path in terms of the Electoral votes, and Pennsylvania (like Virginia) is just about outside the realm of possibility for him now.

Clinton is tracking upwards of 400 now in terms of Electoral votes. Very few polls have Trump breaking 200.

Absent some cataclysmic event in terms of a self-defeating wound by the Clinton campaign (or perhaps a terrorist attack inside the US on a large scale), I have a hard time seeing where Trump is going change the dynamic of the race at this point 2 & 1/2 weeks out from Election Day (voting actually starts in Monday the 24th). His poll numbers have been dropping slowly over the last three weeks: none of the debates have given him any kind of bounce. In fact, quite the opposite.

Now grow up and go away.

It doesn't mean the reason so many people voted for him will go away. Trump isn't the issue. We live in a system where a small percentage own everything and the rest can suck on it. When has that ever worked. Your country even rounds up the underclass and gets them fighting the rich mans grubby wars. Isn't that kicking a person when they are down? Maybe the elite need a Trump to shock them into being better leaders.

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Re: Rigging the game
Reply #4 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:41pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 12:49pm:

Rigging the game is notorious in casinos & other forms of gambling.
Why should it be a surprise to anybody when it comes to voting?
That great Australian leftist writer, Frank Hardy, openly boasted in a pub about rigging the vote in one of the Hawke elections.

WND/DailyCaller today details instances of voter fraud in 23 states.

The same thing is happening with some polls. They are rigged to give results for Clinton. As I said in Clinton Octopussy, the tentacles are everywhere.
Reuters openly admitted earlier this year they had changed their methodology and bingo the results started to go against Trump.
It's simple enough. The psychology is people want to back a winner. Tell them often enough.and loud enough that X is ahead and it's worth a few more votes.

But as some people have pointed out, this election is quite different to other elections. A lot of people - and this is a worldwide scenario - a lot of people have had a gutfull.

This is pitiful stuff sorry..he can't win and now it is rigged ( just as he himself is saying and has said many times before)? Give me me break..are Trump supporters that gullible? I say if it IS rigged then it is well deserved- because no no one wants that uneducated bloated orange windbag lunatic in the White House at any cost.

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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13669 Colorado Gender:	Re: Rigging the game Reply #5 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:53pm Ballot arrived yesterday. It's getting surreal.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Rigging the game Reply #6 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:58pm Unforgiven wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:40pm: The results won't be certain till the last vote is counted. Clinton will face the problem of low turnout of people who might vote for her. Isn't Clinton an English name. Don't you hate anglos?
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Re: Rigging the game
Reply #7 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:02pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

He's got virtually no chance in Michigan, Colorado and California.

Should he somehow end up winning, I'll own my mistake. Trump's chances are slim to none.

Trump will win Indiana. Ohio is 50/50.

The problem is for Trump is even if he ends up winning all three of those states, he still comes up short should the rest of the polling hold. Trump has a very narrow path in terms of the Electoral votes, and Pennsylvania (like Virginia) is just about outside the realm of possibility for him now.

Clinton is tracking upwards of 400 now in terms of Electoral votes. Very few polls have Trump breaking 200.

Absent some cataclysmic event in terms of a self-defeating wound by the Clinton campaign (or perhaps a terrorist attack inside the US on a large scale), I have a hard time seeing where Trump is going change the dynamic of the race at this point 2 & 1/2 weeks out from Election Day (voting actually starts in Monday the 24th). His poll numbers have been dropping slowly over the last three weeks: none of the debates have given him any kind of bounce. In fact, quite the opposite.

Now grow up and go away.

It doesn't mean the reason so many people voted for him will go away. Trump isn't the issue. We live in systems is where a small percentage own everything and the rest can suck on it. When has that ever worked. Your country even rounds up the underclass and gets them fighting the rich mans grubby wars. Isn't that kicking a person when they are down? Maybe the elite need a Trump to shock them into being better leaders.

And you support this, each and every time. Corporate tax cuts, foreign wars, attacks on human rights. You love this stuff.

I'm curious. Do you think anyone's going to buy your workers-of-the-world-unite hyperbole now?

No, I'm not. Here you are promoting a spoiled, elitist rich fat cat as Amerikan president.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Don't answer that.

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Re: Rigging the game
Reply #8 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:08pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

He's got virtually no chance in Michigan, Colorado and California.

Should he somehow end up winning, I'll own my mistake. Trump's chances are slim to none.

Trump will win Indiana. Ohio is 50/50.

The problem is for Trump is even if he ends up winning all three of those states, he still comes up short should the rest of the polling hold. Trump has a very narrow path in terms of the Electoral votes, and Pennsylvania (like Virginia) is just about outside the realm of possibility for him now.

Clinton is tracking upwards of 400 now in terms of Electoral votes. Very few polls have Trump breaking 200.

Absent some cataclysmic event in terms of a self-defeating wound by the Clinton campaign (or perhaps a terrorist attack inside the US on a large scale), I have a hard time seeing where Trump is going change the dynamic of the race at this point 2 & 1/2 weeks out from Election Day (voting actually starts in Monday the 24th). His poll numbers have been dropping slowly over the last three weeks: none of the debates have given him any kind of bounce. In fact, quite the opposite.

Now grow up and go away.

It doesn't mean the reason so many people voted for him will go away. Trump isn't the issue. We live in systems is where a small percentage own everything and the rest can suck on it. When has that ever worked. Your country even rounds up the underclass and gets them fighting the rich mans grubby wars. Isn't that kicking a person when they are down? Maybe the elite need a Trump to shock them into being better leaders.

And you support this, each and every time. Corporate tax cuts, foreign wars, attacks on human rights. You love this stuff.

I'm curious. Do you think anyone's going to buy your workers-of-the-world-unite hyperbole now?

No, I'm not. Here you are promoting a spoiled, elitist rich fat cat as Amerikan president.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Don't answer that.

I couldn't be a person like you who loves the status quo Karnal . Obviously you are a person who doesn't take a risk. No spicy food, I'll dangle my feet in the shallow end, no dear I will not dress up like a polar bear while you dress as a McDonalds worker- it's straight missionary . What changes will Hillary make?

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Re: Rigging the game
Reply #9 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:26pm

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 12:49pm:

Rigging the game is notorious in casinos & other forms of gambling.
Why should it be a surprise to anybody when it comes to voting?
That great Australian leftist writer, Frank Hardy, openly boasted in a pub about rigging the vote in one of the Hawke elections.

WND/DailyCaller today details instances of voter fraud in 23 states.

The same thing is happening with some polls. They are rigged to give results for Clinton. As I said in Clinton Octopussy, the tentacles are everywhere.
Reuters openly admitted earlier this year they had changed their methodology and bingo the results started to go against Trump.
It's simple enough. The psychology is people want to back a winner. Tell them often enough.and loud enough that X is ahead and it's worth a few more votes.

But as some people have pointed out, this election is quite different to other elections. A lot of people - and this is a worldwide scenario - a lot of people have had a gutfull.

It seems I misjudged you boges. I really thought you weren't going down the tinfoil hat conspiracy route, but here you are.

Here's a hint: Clinton doesn't need a grand conspiracy to defeat Trump - he is sufficiently bad to lose it all by himself. Being a circus clown with all the attention on you is great to get to the top of the pile of 15 or something fellow clowns, but when its a one on one choice between the clown and an actual serious contender, the clown will lose every time.

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Reply #10 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:43pm

Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt, currently on leave to work with the Department of Justice overseeing voting, wrote that he has been tracking allegations of voter fraud for years, including any “credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, in any way that an ID law could fix.”

“So far,” he wrote, “I’ve found about 31 different incidents (some of which involve multiple ballots) since 2000, anywhere in the country. … To put this in perspective, the 31 incidents below come in the context of general, primary, special, and municipal elections from 2000 through 2014. In general and primary elections alone, more than 1 billion ballots were cast in that period.”

Voter Fraud in the US

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Reply #11 - Oct 21^st, 2016 at 4:49pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 2:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:40pm:

Marla wrote on Oct 21^st, 2016 at 1:34pm:

He's got virtually no chance in Michigan, Colorado and California.

Should he somehow end up winning, I'll own my mistake. Trump's chances are slim to none.

Trump will win Indiana. Ohio is 50/50.

The problem is for Trump is even if he ends up winning all three of those states, he still comes up short should the rest of the polling hold. Trump has a very narrow path in terms of the Electoral votes, and Pennsylvania (like Virginia) is just about outside the realm of possibility for him now.

Clinton is tracking upwards of 400 now in terms of Electoral votes. Very few polls have Trump breaking 200.

Absent some cataclysmic event in terms of a self-defeating wound by the Clinton campaign (or perhaps a terrorist attack inside the US on a large scale), I have a hard time seeing where Trump is going change the dynamic of the race at this point 2 & 1/2 weeks out from Election Day (voting actually starts in Monday the 24th). His poll numbers have been dropping slowly over the last three weeks: none of the debates have given him any kind of bounce. In fact, quite the opposite.

Now grow up and go away.

It doesn't mean the reason so many people voted for him will go away. Trump isn't the issue. We live in systems is where a small percentage own everything and the rest can suck on it. When has that ever worked. Your country even rounds up the underclass and gets them fighting the rich mans grubby wars. Isn't that kicking a person when they are down? Maybe the elite need a Trump to shock them into being better leaders.

And you support this, each and every time. Corporate tax cuts, foreign wars, attacks on human rights. You love this stuff.

I'm curious. Do you think anyone's going to buy your workers-of-the-world-unite hyperbole now?

No, I'm not. Here you are promoting a spoiled, elitist rich fat cat as Amerikan president.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Don't answer that.

I couldn't be a person like you who loves the status quo Karnal .

Trump is the very epitome of the status quo, Homo. If you haven't seen him on the pages of People Magazine or Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, you're missing the point entirely.

He made his money off political donations and his inherited connections to both parties, Democrats in particular.

Parroting these ridiculous Trump slogans isn't going to help your cause. Only complete morons would overlook Trump's celebrity status and inherited position at the front and centre of the status quo.

What makes Trump different as a politician is he doesn't represent anybody. He's not there for business or unions or the military or blacks, for example. Trump is there solely for himself.

He's not even representing Republicans. When Trump was running in the primaries, he refused to rule out his tilt as an independent if he didn't get the nomination. He actually joined the party after he announced he was running.

By supporting Trump, you're not standing against the status quo. You're merely apologizing for a spoilt, rich kid with a massive ego. By supporting Trump, you're not standing up for Amerikan workers or the moral majority or the white middle class, you're simply supporting a billionaire's vanity.

Trump is only standing for himself. Mind you, he had no idea he'd get this far. Trump started talking publicly about running for president in 2012 when he was fired by CBS. This was a publicity campaign - nothing more. When his media coverage took off - and he was treated as a serious candidate - he found he liked the attention (to put it mildly). He pulled out when other business took over, but he decided to do it properly in 2016.

If you think Trump isn't the perfect representation of the Amerikan status quo - politically connected, Hollywood-listed, tax-avoiding, and rich, you have rocks in your head. But if you think Trump represents anyone's interests other than his own, you're even dumber.

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