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Re: Trump wins says Prof
Reply #90 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:46am

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 8:02am:

Why Is Bill Cosby Finished While Bill Clinton Is Beloved?

Nobody needed criminal convictions to drop Cosby - just multiple accusations of sexual assault and some out-of-court payouts. But multiple accusations of sexual assault, out-of-court payouts and the loss of his law license are apparently not enough to bar Bill Clinton from another eight years in the White House.

the somewhat significant difference of Cosby being CHARGED while bill clinton was NOT CHARGED.

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Reply #91 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:48am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:07am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:04am:

I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you?

Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back.

None of the polls have Trump in front. A few have him close(ish) and a number have him well behind. That doesnt leave a lot of hope for Trump.

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Reply #92 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:48am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:07am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:04am:

I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you?

Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back.

None of the polls have Trump in front. A few have him close(ish) and a number have him well behind. That doesnt leave a lot of hope for Trump.

I agree, I was more making the point that there seems to be a lot of Trump supporters saying the polls dont mean anything until they show good news for Trump, then they are 100% believable.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #93 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:48am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:07am:

bogarde73 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 9:04am:

I'd say his chances of being right again have noticeably improved in the last few days, wouldn't you?

Lol I'll wait for the same people who say MSM polls dont count to look at improvement in Trumps poll numbers and say look at the polls, he's coming back.

None of the polls have Trump in front. A few have him close(ish) and a number have him well behind. That doesnt leave a lot of hope for Trump.

I agree, I was more making the point that there seems to be a lot of Trump supporters saying the polls dont mean anything until they show good news for Trump, then they are 100% believable.

Yeah, I know. Polls in australia are easier and more accurate because of compulsory voting and also the absence of large racial group differences. To be honest, the american election system is a mess because each state runs it on its own with different rules, different methods and so on. But for all its faults, it does seem to work. The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!

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Reply #94 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!

I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #95 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!

I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.

Amen! after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either. Trump would pour petrol on the fire.

I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.

Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.

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Reply #96 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!

I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.

Amen! after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either. Trump would pour petrol on the fire.

I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.

Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.

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...............He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.............

He has the 'temperament' to successfully run private businesses.
Hillary has the 'temperament' to lie, cheat, slander and take bribes.

He has international experience in good negotiating.
Hillary has experience in losing.

'...... a buffoon .........' , well that is immature, subjective and personal abuse.

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Reply #98 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 3:10pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:38pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 12:03pm:

The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!

I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.

Amen! after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either. Trump would pour petrol on the fire.

I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.

Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.

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...............He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.............

He has the 'temperament' to successfully run private businesses.
Hillary has the 'temperament' to lie, cheat, slander and take bribes.

He has international experience in good negotiating.
Hillary has experience in losing.

'...... a buffoon .........' , well that is immature, subjective and personal abuse.

You're not serious, right?

He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of. He has also been taken to court 4000 times! and a few over sexual harassment and now, one for child rape.

But my favourite is that Trump has superior international negotiation experience over... wait for it... a former Secretary of State and Senator.

Really???

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Reply #99 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 3:10pm:

He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of.

These bankruptcies didn't in any way mean the companies went belly up, not at all.

On all occasions Trump availed himself of the well crafted Law, he was able to stave off creditors by reducing the payments he needed to make on an expanded payment schedule........basically less $$ per month, over a longer stretch of time (court renegotiated the loans), thus saving the businesses while protecting the jobs of those that worked in those companies, & also keep those creditors from attaching the assets of his other vibrantly successful companies, which were still able to make substantial untouchable incomes.

Anyone that is aware of the processes involved in those bankruptcy cases, of which you obviously aren't one, would know that tens of thousands of business owners all across America do exactly the same to protect their companies every year, preliminarily because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Trump should be commended, as well as any of the other business owners, should also be commended, for taking advantage of the American Bankruptcy Laws that were written specifically for their benefit, & the overall benefit of their companies future financial health.

In America Bankruptcy isn't as catastrophic as it is here. Individual average Americans also claim personal bankruptcy according to generous American Bankruptcy Laws, not to avoid paying off debt, but to have the court force debt renegotiation upon lending institutions that might not be willing to do otherwise, giving the individual the ability to pay down their debts at a rate that will hopefully keep their heads above water, rather than having to take up residency on the Poor Farm at the hands of the banks.

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Reply #100 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:30pm

Panther wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 3:10pm:

He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of.

These bankruptcies didn't in any way mean the companies went belly up, not at all.

On all occasions Trump availed himself of the well crafted Law, he was able to stave off creditors by reducing the payments he needed to make on an expanded payment schedule........basically less $$ per month, over a longer stretch of time (court renegotiated the loans), thus saving the businesses while protecting the jobs of those that worked in those companies, & also keep those creditors from attaching the assets of his other vibrantly successful companies, which were still able to make substantial untouchable incomes.

Anyone that is aware of the processes involved in those bankruptcy cases, of which you obviously aren't one, would know that tens of thousands of business owners all across America do exactly the same to protect their companies every year, preliminarily because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Trump should be commended, as well as any of the other business owners, should also be commended, for taking advantage of the American Bankruptcy Laws that were written specifically for their benefit, & the overall benefit of their companies future financial health.

In America Bankruptcy isn't as catastrophic as it is here. Individual average Americans also claim personal bankruptcy according to generous American Bankruptcy Laws, not to avoid paying off debt, but to have the court force debt renegotiation upon lending institutions that might not be willing to do otherwise, giving the individual the ability to pay down their debts at a rate that will hopefully keep their heads above water, rather than having to take up residency on the Poor Farm at the hands of the banks.

Panther, every time one's debt is wiped off, someone else loses money - in this case, the owners of junk bonds in Trump's casinos.

And we're talking billions - most from small investors who were sold a lemon. The banks got some back. Mom and pop went belly up.

Alan Bond and Christopher Skase did it in Australia, and Donald Trump did it in the good old US of A. The business of Amerika is business.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

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Reply #101 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:55pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Panther wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 4:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 3:10pm:

He has been bankrupt FOUR times. That's not a record to be proud of.

These bankruptcies didn't in any way mean the companies went belly up, not at all.

On all occasions Trump availed himself of the well crafted Law, he was able to stave off creditors by reducing the payments he needed to make on an expanded payment schedule........basically less $$ per month, over a longer stretch of time (court renegotiated the loans), thus saving the businesses while protecting the jobs of those that worked in those companies, & also keep those creditors from attaching the assets of his other vibrantly successful companies, which were still able to make substantial untouchable incomes.

Anyone that is aware of the processes involved in those bankruptcy cases, of which you obviously aren't one, would know that tens of thousands of business owners all across America do exactly the same to protect their companies every year, preliminarily because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Trump should be commended, as well as any of the other business owners, should also be commended, for taking advantage of the American Bankruptcy Laws that were written specifically for their benefit, & the overall benefit of their companies future financial health.

In America Bankruptcy isn't as catastrophic as it is here. Individual average Americans also claim personal bankruptcy according to generous American Bankruptcy Laws, not to avoid paying off debt, but to have the court force debt renegotiation upon lending institutions that might not be willing to do otherwise, giving the individual the ability to pay down their debts at a rate that will hopefully keep their heads above water, rather than having to take up residency on the Poor Farm at the hands of the banks.

Panther, every time one's debt is wiped off, someone else loses money - in this case, the owners of junk bonds in Trump's casinos.

And we're talking billions - most from small investors who were sold a lemon. The banks got some back. Mom and pop went belly up.

Alan Bond and Christopher Skase did it in Australia, and Donald Trump did it in the good old US of A. The business of Amerika is business.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

I am staggered that ANYONE supports trump. The election has been a very public exercise of how some people put politics about morality, religion and pretty much everything else. It has been both enlightening and deeply saddening.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46154 Gender:	Re: Trump wins says Prof Reply #102 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:00pm If FBI Director Comey thought that Clinton would be elected president, do you think he would advised Congress of the reopening of investigations 10 days before the election?
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thehermit Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 209 Gold Coast, Australia Gender:	Re: Trump wins says Prof Reply #103 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:21pm TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide....
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104630 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Trump wins says Prof Reply #104 - Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:25pm thehermit wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 5:21pm: TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide.... True - also Hillary & Bill will end up in jail.
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