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Re: Trump wins says Prof
Reply #105 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:25pm:
thehermit wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:21pm:
TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide....



True -

also Hillary & Bill will end up in jail.



has that ever happened..?.....

I dont think anything like this has ever happened this close to an election anywhere....they need a system whereby the election can be cancelled....

as both candidates have legal things hanging over their heads.
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Reply #106 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:48pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 4:30pm:
Panther, every time one's debt is wiped off, someone else loses money - in this case, the owners of junk bonds in Trump's casinos.

And we're talking billions - most from small investors who were sold a lemon. The banks got some back. Mom and pop went belly up.


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Trump's debt wasn't "wiped off" in any of his bankruptcies.

The court just changed....forced his creditors to accept revised repayment particulars (the monthly payments were lowered, & the time to pay it all back was lengthened, while the interest rate was also lowered) so Trump could pay back all his debt while keeping his business above water, & protect employee jobs, the best he could, in the process.

Trump financed in many ways, usually with banks & other lending institutions.

Junk bonds, if you would dig into who manipulates those, are usually issued by others who in turn use their plunder to invest in safer undertakings.



junk bond noun  plural noun: junk bonds
a high-yielding high-risk security, typically issued by a company seeking to raise capital quickly in order to finance a takeover.





In all my reading I can't find anything that shows he issued any junk bonds as a regular practice, maybe you can provide us a link if you know he did.

In America, again if you'd investigate & read, the stock exchange is pretty much the same as our TAB, it's legalized gambling......sometimes you win, & sometimes you lose. On junk bonds, which you can invest in in hopes of big payouts/returns, most people usually lose, & when they do it's usually substantial, but those that win usually win a King's ransom.

Those that invest (bet) on the wrong stocks, usually get better/higher returns when they win, but the fact is they also are accepting higher risks.....your Mom & Pops in your 'theoretical scenario' were just investors that wanted an unusually higher return, & some of their risks didn't pan out as they hoped it seems......it's all in the roll of the dice. Time to invest wisely, & when it comes to unusually high yielding junk bonds, only invest what you are willing to lose, because you probably will.

Mom & Pops, & their little children too, are not the typical investors who invest in junk bonds.
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Reply #107 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:24pm
 
No, Panther, the very definition of a bankruptcy is when you can't repay your debts.

This is all on the record. Trump lost the casinos, but kept his shirt. He even sells this as one of his great negotiations, the "art of the deal".

Problem is, on the other side, Trump lost the shirts of thousands of small investors who invested in the "Trump brand". Some lost everything. Trump prevailed. He kept his other businesses and his inheritance.

Perhaps he'll use the same formula to make Amerika great again, eh?
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Reply #108 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:44pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:24pm:
No, Panther, the very definition of a bankruptcy is when you can't repay your debts.

This is all on the record. Trump lost the casinos, but kept his shirt. He even sells this as one of his great negotiations, the "art of the deal".

Problem is, on the other side, Trump lost the shirts of thousands of small investors who invested in the "Trump brand". Some lost everything. Trump prevailed. He kept his other businesses and his inheritance.

Perhaps he'll use the same formula to make Amerika great again, eh?


Wrong.......absolutely, completely, & totally.......you seriously need to get out.....if you insist on staying home, at least read.....otherwise there is no hope for you increasing your awareness of the real world, & not the imaginary world of Karnal. ......


➤ ➤ ➤ ➤ This is mandatory reading on your part......once read, then read again, then rescind correct your incorrect interpretation above.


This is the Chapter/Type of Bankruptcy that Donald Trump utilized/filed for:





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Reply #109 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm
 
Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.
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Reply #110 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.


Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence (as in the courts settlement agreement for his application for relief)?   BTW....were drifting off topic, so our discussion needs to be wrapped up.....if you wish to continue on this line, create a new thread on the subject.

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Reply #111 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.


Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence?



I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.

You know this, everybody does. Stop pretending.
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Reply #112 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.


Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence?



I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.

You know this, everybody does. Stop pretending.


Wrong........Educate yourself & force yourself to read (comprehensively).......enjoy Wink


 

 
POLITIFACT.....Trump's Bankruptcy's
If I wished I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you......

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Reply #113 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:37pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:09pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 7:57pm:
Trump's junk bonds were written off, Panther.


Your Link that provides corroboration/your documentary evidence?



I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid.

You know this, everybody does. Stop pretending.


Wrong........Educate yourself & force yourself to read (comprehensively).......enjoy Wink


 

 
POLITIFACT.....Trump's Bankruptcy's
If I wished I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you......



Have you read your link?
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Reply #114 - Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:50pm
 
Oh, look. You've gone.
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Reply #115 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 5:28am
 
cods wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:25pm:
thehermit wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 5:21pm:
TRUMP will win and it will be a landslide....



True -

also Hillary & Bill will end up in jail.



has that ever happened..?.....

I dont think anything like this has ever happened this close to an election anywhere....they need a system whereby the election can be cancelled....

as both candidates have legal things hanging over their heads.



They are both crooks.
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Reply #116 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:30am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm:
I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid. 


Smart fellow.

Just the sort of mover-and-shaker the White House needs in the Oval Office. A risk-taking Alpha-male who covers his ass with other people's money.

His misdeeds are mere peccadilloes compared to what's brewing for Hillary. 
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Reply #117 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:32am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 8:30am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 8:15pm:
I'm not playing, Panther. Trump lost 3 casinos, an airline and his luxury yacht. It was the 80s, it was all on credit. The junk bond holders paid. 


Smart fellow.

Just the sort of mover-and-shaker the White House needs in the Oval Office.


Who for, Herbie? Himself?
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Reply #118 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 9:04am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm:
The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!




I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.


Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire.

I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.

Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.


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Reply #119 - Nov 2nd, 2016 at 9:23am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 9:04am:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 1st, 2016 at 12:03pm:
The idea that the election could be rigged to the level of altering the outcome of a national election is ludicrous, but Trump is a conspiracy theorists as are many of his supporters.

Weirdest election ever!




I seem to recall reading some thing today about they've found two cases of voter fraud already in the US, but they were Trump supporters. Seriously though you're right. It's scary. The weird thing is the system may be broken, but just because it is broken, doesnt make Trump the solution to it. People seem to be falling into that trap.


Amen!  after all, the biggest and most serious problem in the USA is DIVISION. Social division and Trump is perhaps the worst possible person to do so. Someone of Obama's skills and abilities could not do it and obviously Hillary wont do it either.  Trump would pour petrol on the fire.

I cannot understand how ANYONE at all can vote for trump or support him. He is the most manifestly unqualified presidential candidate I can ever recall. He has neither the temperament not the experience for the job. And he is just such a buffoon.

Curing the american social malaise requires both parties to actually work towards that goal. The republicans have been blockers for decades now. Ironically, Trump may help the problem after all by causing a landslide defeat of republicans all round leading perhaps to a painful re-evaluation of Republican (and Democrat) politics.


Post of the day.


He's that good.
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