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Reply #120 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

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Reply #121 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 9:01pm

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Behaviour is what people do. Not what they want to do or what motivates them

Your take-home message is that Ahok was cowered by the protests into stopping talking about Islam - right?

My take-home message is that this is a baseless assumption.

Shall we go from here and desist with the childish semantic games?

Here's a tip, if you want to know what my message is, try quoting what I say.

Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. These protests are a good example of that. Islam is relatively young in Indonesia, and this is Islam flexing it muscles to a dangerous new level. No matter how much you try to squirm and dodge the issue and define it out of existence, these protests will further erode freedom of speech in Indonesia and further entrench the hold that Islam is gaining over society. Islam undermines every society it comes to dominate.

No no no. You've completely forgotten that oppressive Islam is the result of interbreeding between Africans and Arabs. Indonesians have a more enlightened, tolerant version of Islam because of their lack of subhuman negroid genes.

Get with the program, FD. You've already agreed this is a most "plausible theory".

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Reply #122 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 9:04pm

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

I know. Compare G's posts to yours, dear boy.

There is simply no discussion.

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Reply #123 - Nov 24^th, 2016 at 9:12pm

They call it xenophobia in Jakarta

Are we sure Ahok sill make it to election day?

ARMED with a loudspeaker, the elderly protester offered to pay one billion Rupiah (US$76,900) to anybody who murdered Jakarta’s Chinese-Indonesian governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama during one of the politician’s spontaneous blusukan election campaign visits in West Jakarta.

The crowd becoming hostile, Ahok was moved onto a public bus by police and moved to safety.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/11/xenophobia-rears-ugly-head-streets-jakart...

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Reply #124 - Nov 25^th, 2016 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Behaviour is what people do. Not what they want to do or what motivates them

Your take-home message is that Ahok was cowered by the protests into stopping talking about Islam - right?

My take-home message is that this is a baseless assumption.

Shall we go from here and desist with the childish semantic games?

Well, tell us what is happening in Jakarta around the Chinese mayor and the Muslims baying for his imprisonment.

Explain away.

Gandalf is not explaining. Nor Kandalf, nor John Smandalf.

As brain ross would say: 'hmmm Roll Eyes

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Reply #125 - Nov 25^th, 2016 at 8:58pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

Frank wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

Yes, that was the vry point of the Muslimprotests.

That's the very point of almost every Muslim protest - to cower the infidels into NOT talking about Islam, Muslims, Mohammed, the Koran.

Muslims go apesh!t to shut down the discussion. If the protest is not enough then comes the shooting.

But there will be no discussion.

I know. Compare G's posts to yours, dear boy.

There is simply no discussion.

Quoting the same post three times- you must be an intellectual.

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Reply #127 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 8:07pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Do you think he will repeat this behaviour Gandalf?

do you think that if he is more careful of his speeches it is because of the protests, or do you think it is more likely that he won't want to risk breaking the law?

Because of the protesters. They want him dead. The law will vindicate him. Likewise, the apologists here generally concede he might need more personal security as a result of the protests. Why do you think that is John? Do you think a person might limit what they say for the same reason they would hire body guards? Do try to join the dots yourself for once, this is getting tedious.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2016 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Behaviour is what people do. Not what they want to do or what motivates them

Your take-home message is that Ahok was cowered by the protests into stopping talking about Islam - right?

My take-home message is that this is a baseless assumption.

Shall we go from here and desist with the childish semantic games?

Here's a tip, if you want to know what my message is, try quoting what I say.

Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. These protests are a good example of that. Islam is relatively young in Indonesia, and this is Islam flexing it muscles to a dangerous new level. No matter how much you try to squirm and dodge the issue and define it out of existence, these protests will further erode freedom of speech in Indonesia and further entrench the hold that Islam is gaining over society. Islam undermines every society it comes to dominate.

Interesting you avoided the question and are now deferring to grandiose generalities. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

My bad. To answer your question, no you are wrong, yet again. My "take-home message" is what I say it is, not what you say it is, and you cannot substitute your own version just because you find my actual words inconvenient. You will find no shortage of specific and general comments about this issue littered throughout this thread Gandalf. Don't blame me if I give you generalisations when you ask for a "take-home message". Blame your own mangled english.

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ARMED with a loudspeaker, the elderly protester offered to pay one billion Rupiah (US$76,900) to anybody who murdered Jakarta’s Chinese-Indonesian governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama during one of the politician’s spontaneous blusukan election campaign visits in West Jakarta.

The crowd becoming hostile, Ahok was moved onto a public bus by police and moved to safety.

What do you think Gandalf and John? Will he be more careful with his words in future?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police Reply #128 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:36pm freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm: Because of the protesters. bullsh1t ... wishful thinking freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm: The law will vindicate him the other week you were saying the law wouldn't even charge him
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Reply #129 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:40pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 24^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

They call it xenophobia in Jakarta

Are we sure Ahok sill make it to election day?

ARMED with a loudspeaker, the elderly protester offered to pay one billion Rupiah (US$76,900) to anybody who murdered Jakarta’s Chinese-Indonesian governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama during one of the politician’s spontaneous blusukan election campaign visits in West Jakarta.

The crowd becoming hostile, Ahok was moved onto a public bus by police and moved to safety.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/11/xenophobia-rears-ugly-head-streets-jakart...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police Reply #130 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:49pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:36pm: freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm: Because of the protesters. bullsh1t ... wishful thinking Could you understand him needing extra personal security in the wake of the protests John?
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Reply #131 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:51pm

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 8:34pm:

Because of the protesters.

bullsh1t ... wishful thinking

Could you understand him needing extra personal security in the wake of the protests John?

sure, so did trump and hillary when they were campaigning .... did it really change anything long term FD?

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Reply #132 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

A blasphemy allegation leveled at Jakarta Governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama has taken a toll on his popularity rating before the gubernatorial election, slated for Feb. 15, according to the latest survey.

A survey released by the Jakarta-based Indonesian Politic Indicator on Thursday showed that Ahok was no longer the frontrunner.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/11/26/blasphemy-controversy-hurting-ahok-s-electability.html

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Reply #134 - Nov 27^th, 2016 at 10:10pm

freediver wrote on Nov 27^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Gandalf will still reassure us that Indonesia is a perfectly safe example for the apologists to use to demonstrate moderate Islam in action.

Free people and people who respect freedoms [and their liberty] [AND, people who respect the freedoms and liberty of others] cannot live can NEVER live peacefully with moslems [or vis-versa].

Why is that so ?

Because the freedoms and rights [i.e. the right to choose], is offensive to all moslems.

Because the freedoms and liberty of people who are not moslems, will always clash with the imperatives of ISLAMIC culture !

Because it is an IMMUTABLE article of faith, to every moslem, ....that all men must be submissive to ISLAM and submissive to its laws and regulations about living.

Period.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1472690111/0#0
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QUESTION;
Is it reasonable that moslems living in Australia [and that moslems should come to Australia], being the representatives of a foreign and hostile cultural entity [ISLAM], a cultural entity which expresses hostility towards many of the rights and freedoms which Australians actually cherish [e.g. freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to marry a person of your own choosing, the right to lawfully associate with persons of your own choosing, etc, etc],
......and that those persons [moslems] should try to change, regulate and restrict what Australians should be permitted to speak about ?

Specifically, the right to speak about something, which encompasses a topic which moslems claim, offends the sensibilities, of the moslem. !!!

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"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

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