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Reply #150 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:02am

Its FD to a tee.

Spends 26+ pages strongly hinting that Ahok has been cowered into submission - then when asked to confirm it directly, its semantic game time. He'll happily spend the next 20 pages assuring me he's answered the question - by quoting himself avoiding answering the question - and spinning endless yarns about how stupid it is to keep asking him.

What I'm curious about though is why the tapdancing in this particular case? I'm actually surprised he would want to avoid confirming what we all know he's insinuating. Could it be that he sees that his insinuations actually have no basis in reality?

I think its worth repeating this masterclass in evasion:

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Interesting you avoided the question and are now deferring to grandiose generalities. Lets try again - are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam? Are you having second thoughts now? Why did you avoid it FD? Is it finally dawning on you that its completely baseless?

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My bad. To answer your question, no you are wrong, yet again. My "take-home message" is what I say it is, not what you say it is, and you cannot substitute your own version just because you find my actual words inconvenient. You will find no shortage of specific and general comments about this issue littered throughout this thread Gandalf. Don't blame me if I give you generalisations when you ask for a "take-home message". Blame your own mangled english.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95304 Gender:	Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police Reply #151 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:10am FD doesn't need to practice his usual evasion, G. The evidence of Ahok's submission is his apology to the imams for his remarks.
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Reply #152 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

And yet somehow it doesn't include a simple "yes" or "no" - even though the question is a 'yes/no' question.

That was a direct answer to the question you asked Gandalf, and included the word no. You even quoted it. I have also responded to the one you quoted above. Why did you not include that response?

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Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police
Reply #153 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:49am

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

That was a direct answer to the question you asked Gandalf, and included the word no. You even quoted it. I have also responded to the one you quoted above. Why did you not include that response?

Yes FD - the rest of the sentence was "no you are wrong, yet again". So just to be clear, your "direct answer" to the question "are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam?" is "no you are wrong"? Do you usually "answer" a yes/no question by telling the questioner he/she is wrong - rather than, you know, the more standard "yes" or "no"? Or are you now saying you really meant "no, I don't believe he has been cowered"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95304 Gender:	Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police Reply #154 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 12:19pm FD must mean the latter, G. He's now conceding that he has been agreeing with you all along.
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Reply #155 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 12:33pm

He is so desperate to prove that he's answered the question - to the extent that he's apparently prepared to argue that he agrees with me all along: that the protests didn't cower him in regards to talking about Islam. Is that right FD? By "No" you mean - "no he wasn't cowered into stopping talking about Islam by the protests"? Feel free to answer that one by quoting another one of your evasions.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #156 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 3:08pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

And yet somehow it doesn't include a simple "yes" or "no" - even though the question is a 'yes/no' question.

That was a direct answer to the question you asked Gandalf, and included the word no. You even quoted it. I have also responded to the one you quoted above. Why did you not include that response?

Your "answers" to date:

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The answer is right there Gandalf.

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Blame your own mangled english.

Or the FD golden mean:

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If you ask stupid questions Gandalf, don't complain about not getting the answers you want.

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Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police
Reply #157 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm

Yes, those are all plausible answers K. Maybe FD can help...

FD - do you believe Ahok has been cowered into stopping himself talking about Islam by the protests?

Is the answer:
a) no Gandalf you are wrong?
b) my answer is what I say it is?
c) the answer is right there?
d) blame your own mangled English?
e) If you ask stupid questions, don't complain about not getting the answers you want.?
f) something else?

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Reply #158 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 4:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Yes, those are all plausible answers K. Maybe FD can help...

FD - do you believe Ahok has been cowered into stopping himself talking about Islam by the protests?

Is the answer:
a) no Gandalf you are wrong?
b) my answer is what I say it is?
c) the answer is right there?
d) blame your own mangled English?
e) If you ask stupid questions, don't complain about not getting the answers you want.?
f) something else?

I don't think FD will be able to answer that, G. It's missing:

g) All of the above.

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Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police
Reply #159 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

That was a direct answer to the question you asked Gandalf, and included the word no. You even quoted it. I have also responded to the one you quoted above. Why did you not include that response?

Yes FD - the rest of the sentence was "no you are wrong, yet again". So just to be clear, your "direct answer" to the question "are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam?" is "no you are wrong"? Do you usually "answer" a yes/no question by telling the questioner he/she is wrong - rather than, you know, the more standard "yes" or "no"? Or are you now saying you really meant "no, I don't believe he has been cowered"?

No Gandalf, you are wrong again. That was a response another question you asked. I provided a separate response to that question. This is all fairly obvious if you follow the links back to the original discussion, or the many times I have had to repeat myself for you. I am more than happy to pick this up where we left off, and have tried on several occasions, but you seem to prefer to pretend I did not say it.

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Reply #160 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:06pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

That was a direct answer to the question you asked Gandalf, and included the word no. You even quoted it. I have also responded to the one you quoted above. Why did you not include that response?

Yes FD - the rest of the sentence was "no you are wrong, yet again". So just to be clear, your "direct answer" to the question "are you contending that Ahok has been cowered into stopping talking about Islam?" is "no you are wrong"? Do you usually "answer" a yes/no question by telling the questioner he/she is wrong - rather than, you know, the more standard "yes" or "no"? Or are you now saying you really meant "no, I don't believe he has been cowered"?

No Gandalf, you are wrong again. That was a response another question you asked. I provided a separate response to that question. This is all fairly obvious if you follow the links back to the original discussion, or the many times I have had to repeat myself for you. I am more than happy to pick this up where we left off, and have tried on several occasions, but you seem to prefer to pretend I did not say it.

Yes, G, you go back through all of FD's posts and quote them one by one so that FD can tell you whether you've guessed it yet.

Some would just answer the question, but that's the cowardly apologist's way out.

Clickety clack, innit.

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Re: Jakarta Governor questioned by police
Reply #162 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

No Gandalf, you are wrong again. That was a response another question you asked.

Ah sorry my bad, see when you claimed that this was your answer to my yes/no question, it didn't really occur to me that you really meant that it wasn't your answer to my yes/no question. I often make these sorts of funny mistakes. Silly me.

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

This is all fairly obvious if you follow the links back to the original discussion

Ah, so first you claim the answer to my yes/no question is in the quotes you pasted in post# 144, now you're saying I have to click on the link and wade through the discussion to find it. Wouldn't it have been more sensible to simply post the answer there like you said you did?

I'm sorry about this, but perhaps you could dumb it down for me even more. Would you be so kind to do one of two things for me?

1. highlight the exact quote of yours where you precisely indicate whether or not you think Ahok has been cowered into stopping himself talking about Islam, or...

2. Far more straight forward, just clarify it for me here and now - do you think that Ahok has been cowered into stopping himself talking about Islam - just a yes or no should be fine.

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Reply #164 - Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:39pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:32pm:

We have gone over this before Gandalf. I have provided the quotes multiple times. You ignore it then come back in a few pages demanding I answer your question.

here's an idea ... you could simply answer yes or no and stop trying to hide behind 26 pages of comments!

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